I do not like these things.

[BurtReynoldsMoustache]

Originally Posted by Spartan198

"Studies" like that are full of bullshit.

Please, go on, enlighten us with your vast knowledge of the scientific method.

[k9870]

There are hands free devices like a bluetooth, if the call is so damned important invest in one. Most calls can wait till your home.

[Spartan198]

Originally Posted by BurtReynoldsMoustache

Please, go on, enlighten us with your vast knowledge of the scientific method.

It's actually so simple a cave man could do it: Talk with your mouth, not your hands and eyes. It's no different than talking to a person in the seat next to you. Or should that be outlawed, too?

Originally Posted by k9870

There are hands free devices like a bluetooth, if the call is so damned important invest in one. Most calls can wait till your home.

Most of them suck, even the big name brands. Nobody can hear you on the other side.

[S&Wshooter]

Originally Posted by Spartan198

Most of them suck, even the big name brands. Nobody can hear you on the other side.

So it's like having a Blackberry stuck to your head, but without the you-can't-hear-the-other-person-either?

[Spartan198]

Originally Posted by S&Wshooter

So it's like having a Blackberry stuck to your head, but without the you-can't-hear-the-other-person-either?

Yeah, pretty much. At least the person I'm talking to can hear me. Last headset I had, I could scream into it at the top of my lungs and still not have the other person hear me.

Originally Posted by BurtReynoldsMoustache

Just because you can do it just fine doesn't mean the majority of the population can do it too. If they could, there wouldn't be a problem.

Just like how drugs wouldn't be a problem if they were legal? You really must be POI because only a dumbass like him would chastise me for using my phone in the car while at the same time supporting complete legalization of illegal narcotics.

Also, it is different from talking to a person next to you because it blocks off part of your peripheral vision and occupies one of your hands, giving you less control over the steering wheel.

My peripheral vision isn't affected when I'm on the phone because my eyes are in the front on my skull, not inside my ears. I also have no problem maintaining control over my car with one hand because that's the way I was taught to drive since I was 10. I can swing the wheel in multiple circles in either direction with one hand quite easily.

Unless you're one of those people who drives with your head kinked over your shoulder to hold the phone, which is even more stupid and dangerous.

See above response.

Like I said, some people can drive smashed off their asses on 8 different kinds of pixie dust and a liter of goldschlager and get by just fine.

Good for them. Does that mean a majority of people should go to jail for driving sober because one person drove drunk, then?

Does not mean everyone can, does not mean a majority of people can, does not mean that it's a good idea for you even if you can do it.

So I guess it's a bad idea for me to do things like math because not everybody can? Maybe I should go everywhere in a wheelchair because not everyone can walk?

And saying "Pshh it's easy, I do it all the time, fuckin' cavemen yadda yadda" does not at all disprove any peer reviewed study that yields findings to the contrary.

Unlike you, my mouth, eyes, and hands function independent of each other. For example, I'm typing this response to you while watching Law & Order and having a conversation with my sister about how silly your logic behind statements like "drugs wouldn't be a problem if they were legal" is.

FYI, I never took part in any of these so-called studies, so none of them reflect me or my driving abilities. I represent me, not any "majority".

[BurtReynoldsMoustache]

Originally Posted by Spartan198

Just like how drugs wouldn't be a problem if they were legal? You really must be POI because only a dumbass like him would chastise me for using my phone in the car while at the same time supporting complete legalization of illegal narcotics.

I never said they wouldn't be a problem. I specifically said militarization of the police would not be necessary. I don't care if you want to smoke crack or talk on your cell phone in the privacy of your home. Just don't do either of them if you're operating a motor vehicle.

Originally Posted by Spartan198

My peripheral vision isn't affected when I'm on the phone because my eyes are in the front on my skull, not inside my ears. I also have no problem maintaining control over my car with one hand because that's the way I was taught to drive since I was 10. I can swing the wheel in multiple circles in either direction with one hand quite easily.

You hold the phone to the side of your head. Peripheral vision is what you see on either side of your head. Holding something up to your head interferes with peripheral vision on that side of your head. Turning your head so you can see something because your chell phone and arm are in the way is not peripheral vision. And you're not supposed to steer with one hand either. That is illegal. Hands at 10 and 2.

Originally Posted by Spartan198

Good for them. Does that mean a majority of people should go to jail for driving sober because one person drove drunk, then?

This makes absolutely no goddam sense. Are you defending drunk drivers here? I can't even figure out a way that this question is even a grammatically appropriate response to my point. Drunk drivers bad, sober drivers not bad. Distracted drivers bad, focused drivers not bad. Does that make it easier for you?

Originally Posted by Spartan198

So I guess it's a bad idea for me to do things like math because not everybody can? Maybe I should go everywhere in a wheelchair because not everyone can walk?

Not being able to do math or walk has never killed anyone. Not being able to drive a care because of alcohol intoxication has killed millions of people. Not being able to drive a car because of a distracting cell phone conversation has killed thousands.

Originally Posted by Spartan198

Unlike you, my mouth, eyes, and hands function independent of each other. For example, I'm typing this response to you while watching Law & Order and having a conversation with my sister about how silly your logic behind statements like "drugs wouldn't be a problem if they were legal" is.

Your body parts do not function independently of each other. You're not a robot made of separate modules. Your entire body responds in one way or another to every form of stimuli. Also you weren't doing all of those things at the same time. You typed a bit here, said something to your sister, typed some more, glanced over at the TV, then went back to typing. I know you did this because you do not have the choice to do it any other way, that is how the human brain works. It has been proven with, guess what, scientific research.

Originally Posted by Spartan198

FYI, I never took part in any of these so-called studies, so none of them reflect me or my driving abilities. I represent me, not any "majority".

"No officer, you don't understand, you see, I'm better than everyone, therefore the law does not apply to me."

And I'd like you to take a minute to apply this logic to something else. If you became sick, and a doctor prescribed you medicine, would you reject treatment on the grounds that you were not part of the clinical trials for that particular medicine?

[k9870]

And you're not supposed to steer with one hand either. That is illegal. Hands at 10 and 2.

Um its not illegal to drive one handed, justa good idea to drive 2 handed when in city or bad weather. You may be taught 10 and 2 but its not the law.

I specifically said militarization of the police would not be necessary.

Theres more than just drugs out there, youd have swat teams for other things even if your dreamworld of legal drugs came true.,

[Spartan198]

Originally Posted by BurtReynoldsMoustache

I never said they wouldn't be a problem. I specifically said militarization of the police would not be necessary.

That specifically works out to drugs =/= problem. If they were legal, it wouldn't be a criminal offense to produce, traffic, or possess them, ergo the police wouldn't have to go out and put the drug dealers behind bars.

I don't care if you want to smoke crack or talk on your cell phone in the privacy of your home. Just don't do either of them if you're operating a motor vehicle

What I do in my car is none of your business either. In fact, you should be more worried about your driving than mine.

You hold the phone to the side of your head. Peripheral vision is what you see on either side of your head. Holding something up to your head interferes with peripheral vision on that side of your head. Turning your head so you can see something because your chell phone and arm are in the way is not peripheral vision.

I don't know about you, but I sure as hell can't see my ears. Neither does the tip of my elbow magnetically pull my eyes off the road.

And you're not supposed to steer with one hand either. That is illegal.

I see cops, ambulance drivers, truck drivers, and dozens of other drivers doing it on a daily basis. I've done it in front of cops, I've done it behind cops, I've done it beside cops. None of them have ever even given me a second look.

Your next two arguments make absolutely no sense and you are retarded for making them. I'm going to argue them anyway just to show you how stupid you are.

You can insult me all you want, I don't give a shit.

This makes absolutely no goddam sense. Are you defending drunk drivers here? If can't even figure out a way that this question is even a grammatically appropriate response to my point.

No, of course I'm not. But looking back, you're right, that didn't make as much sense as it seemingly did at the time, so let me readdress it. Say I somehow crack and attack somebody, beat them and put them in the hospital. However, they don't die. They get well and go on living their lives. Should I be charged with murder as if I'd actually killed the person? Say I'm walking down the street and accidentally bump into a woman walking past me. Should I be charged with sexual assault?

In all the thousands of times I've used my phone in my car, I've never caused any accidents or otherwise harmed anyone as a direct or indirect result, yet you're talking to me like I have. You're chastising me for doing something I haven't done.

Drunk drivers bad, sober drivers not bad. Distracted drivers bad, focused drivers not bad. Does that make it easier for you?

Me not on the phone = Focused driver
Me on the phone = Still just as focused a driver, despite what your precious statistics claim.

Let me compare it to speeding. If I'm driving down the road at 80 mph, watching the road and everything around me, while some other guy is weaving all over the road and not paying attention to his driving while going 20 mph, who's more likely to get pulled over? The reckless driver because he's more of a threat than I am.

Not being able to do math or walk has never killed anyone.

But by your logic, I still shouldn't do either because some people can't. And just because the "majority" on some statistic lets a phone call distract them on the road, it doesn't mean I get distracted by a phone call.

Not being able to drive a care because of alcohol intoxication has killed millions of people. Not being able to drive a car because of a distracting cell phone conversation has killed thousands.

Millions have died from electrocution, so lets outlaw electricity. Millions have died from smoking, so lets outlaw that, too (well, that one I agree with, but that's not the point). People huff paint, so let's outlaw selling paint as well. A classmate's uncle slipped and fell down the stairs, breaking his neck. I'd imagine millions more have done the same, so let's outlaw stairs.

Name some random action and I promise you there's at least one way someone can get killed from it. Yours and others' lives are at risk just by walking out the front door every day. You can't tell everyone to stop doing everything because it presents some form of risk.

Your body parts do not function independently of each other. You're not a robot made of separate modules. Your entire body responds in one way or another to every form of stimuli.

Then how is it I can see without talking and talk without clenching my fist? When I'm on the phone, my eyes don't black out and my hands don't become unusable or immobile, so the conversation in no way interferes with my ability to control my car.

Also you weren't doing all of those things at the same time.

Actually, yes I was.

I know you did this because you do not have the choice to do it any other way, that is how the human brain works. It has been proven with, guess what, scientific research.

The same scientific research that seems to be able to read the future and knows that everyone who uses a phone while driving is, without a shadow of a doubt, going to hurt someone as a result of it?

"No officer, you don't understand, you see, I'm better than everyone, therefore the law does not apply to me."

I never said anything of the sort and you know it. At least not in the context you're putting it. Being a better at a given trade than another person does not make me some form of nobility like you're implying. I don't know about you, but I live in a country where I'm allowed to be an individual with my own unique skill set. The United States may be a lot of things, but an oligarchy which forces everyone to be exactly the same in every faucet, it surely is not.

And I'd like you to take a minute to apply this logic to something else. If you became sick, and a doctor prescribed you medicine, would you reject treatment on the grounds that you were not part of the clinical trials for that particular medicine?

No, I wouldn't. My body is made up of the exact same chemical composition as pretty much every other human being on earth, like how one bolt carrier can function in a number of different AR-15s because said AR-15s are constructed nearly identically. But there's no chemical in the body that determines my "driving while on the phone" level, is there?

Some people can't do it, others (like me) can do it.

[BurtReynoldsMoustache]

Originally Posted by Spartan198

It's actually so simple a cave man could do it: Talk with your mouth, not your hands and eyes. It's no different than talking to a person in the seat next to you. Or should that be outlawed, too?

Just because you can do it just fine doesn't mean the majority of the population can do it too. If they could, there wouldn't be a problem. Also, it is different from talking to a person next to you because it blocks off part of your peripheral vision and occupies one of your hands, giving you less control over the steering wheel. Unless you're one of those people who drives with your head kinked over your shoulder to hold the phone, which is even more stupid and dangerous.

Like I said, some people can drive smashed off their asses on 8 different kinds of pixie dust and a liter of goldschlager and get by just fine. Does not mean everyone can, does not mean a majority of people can, does not mean that it's a good idea for you even if you can do it.

And saying "Pshh it's easy, I do it all the time, fuckin' cavemen yadda yadda" does not at all disprove any peer reviewed study that yields findings to the contrary.