Nazi is a Political party, not a military force!

[funkychinaman]

Originally Posted by Phoenixent

The term trooper or Mann was replaced in 1941 with the term Schütze or Rifleman in the Waffen-SS which is the equivalent to Private in the US Army.

I know what you are saying it's just in the credits the actors are listed as X so that is what should be put down. We list the actors characters as what is in the credits and verified by IMDb nothing more or less. IMFDB has more and more industry people looking through it so it's best to keep it to what the credits say.

Well, I looked in IMDb, and all the SS people were listed as either SS guard, SS NCO, SS enlisted man, or SS officer, so I'll pull up a chart of SS ranks and label accordingly.

When you say industry people, you mean people from the movie-making industry? Or do you mean another industry, one that isn't run by Jewish liberals who hate Nazis more than anyone?

[MoviePropMaster2008]

Originally Posted by funkychinaman

Well, I looked in IMDb, and all the SS people were listed as either SS guard, SS NCO, SS enlisted man, or SS officer, so I'll pull up a chart of SS ranks and label accordingly.

When you say industry people, you mean people from the movie-making industry? Or do you mean another industry, one that isn't run by Jewish liberals who hate Nazis more than anyone?

Individually IMFDB ALWAYS put what the credits say. And I have no problem in generically describing SS personnel as guards, officers, etc. But you're missing the point that it is not wrong to call them soldiers when so many of their divisions were sent to fight like soldiers, regardless of what the post war organizations decided.

And you're getting close to becoming a pain, I'd watch it. Lest you start to sound more and more like POI.

[funkychinaman]

Originally Posted by MoviePropMaster2008

Individually IMFDB ALWAYS put what the credits say. And I have no problem in generically describing SS personnel as guards, officers, etc. But you're missing the point that it is not wrong to call them soldiers when so many of their divisions were sent to fight like soldiers, regardless of what the post war organizations decided.

And you're getting close to becoming a pain, I'd watch it. Lest you start to sound more and more like POI.

If I got snarky, I apologize. Then again, I wasn't the only one, and I certainly wasn't the one who dropped an N-bomb in here.

What is it the "pain" here? Is our continued presence here only at the pleasure of the mods? We're having a historical debate, and no one should take offense to that, and besides, I have apologized for any unintentional offense I may have caused. And unlike others, I have tried to stay on topic.

[Phoenixent]

Originally Posted by funkychinaman

If I got snarky, I apologize. Then again, I wasn't the only one, and I certainly wasn't the one who dropped an N-bomb in here.

What is it the "pain" here? Is our continued presence here only at the pleasure of the mods? We're having a historical debate, and no one should take offense to that, and besides, I have apologized for any unintentional offense I may have caused. And unlike others, I have tried to stay on topic.

Your cool as debate on subjects does gets the blood pressure up. I for one disagree with some of the Nuremberg trial outcomes. The big one is listing an SS soldier as part of a criminal organization. I am sure that was mostly at the behest of the Russians who's hands were bloodier then the entire SS. During World War II the one's with the cleanest hand were the British and Commonwealth Army as the rest of the allies hands were just as dirty as the Germans.

[BurtReynoldsMoustache]

Originally Posted by Phoenixent

Your cool as debate on subjects does gets the blood pressure up. I for one disagree with some of the Nuremberg trial outcomes. The big one is listing an SS soldier as part of a criminal organization. I am sure that was mostly at the behest of the Russians who's hands were bloodier then the entire SS. During World War II the one's with the cleanest hand were the British and Commonwealth Army as the rest of the allies hands were just as dirty as the Germans.

How exactly was the Commonwealth the least guilty of the belligerent parties?

[funkychinaman]

Originally Posted by BurtReynoldsMoustache

How exactly was the Commonwealth the least guilty of the belligerent parties?

Pay attention in AP History next time. But the short version is, the Germans treated the Soviets like crap, and when the shoe was on the other foot, the Soviets gave as good as they got, some would argue, even worse. The German were close to the British. Their monarchy has German roots, and the Duke and Duchess of Windsor were known to be a little too friendly towards the Germans, even after war broke out.

[MoviePropMaster2008]

Originally Posted by funkychinaman

Pay attention in AP History next time. But the short version is, the Germans treated the Soviets like crap, and when the shoe was on the other foot, the Soviets gave as good as they got, some would argue, even worse. The German were close to the British. Their monarchy has German roots, and the Duke and Duchess of Windsor were known to be a little too friendly towards the Germans, even after war broke out.

Dial back your attitude, man. And don't whine about free speech and debate, blah blah blah. It's not the content of the discourse, it's the delivery.

And crying about how your 'free speech rights' to be a dick is being trampled by the evil 'mods' is a quick way to end up on someone's shit list.

[MoviePropMaster2008]

Originally Posted by BurtReynoldsMoustache

How exactly was the Commonwealth the least guilty of the belligerent parties?

Well, unfortunately there were documented cases where our own forces had proof of standing orders to shoot prisoners. This specifically happened AFTER Malmedy even though that massacre of our prisoners seems to have been spontaneous on the part of the German, but OUR shooting of unarmed Germans WAS documented as a written order. Sad Stuff. Also if you dig through the many archives of World War II photographs, you'll see some that will disturb you in a different way. There is an infamous photo of SS soldiers (mostly teenagers between 13-17) standing in front of a wall with their hands up as some American GIs are shooting them dead with M1A1s. Of course these are the bad actions of a few, but they are added up and the government responsible must own up to them as well as the good stuff.

My own father, who was a WW2 vet, spoke of some of the "johnny come latelys", late war enlistees who towards the END of the fighting came charging into Europe looking to bag themselves a "Kraut or two". These noobs were despised by the experienced War Vets. A lot of the new guys were completely happy to shoot surrendering troops, in violation of the Geneva Convention (BTW). If you read enough first person accounts of WW2, you'll realize how crappy War is and how brutal things become (even more so than the 'official' story).

From what I heard, the Brits committed the LEAST amount of objectionable behavior, which is surprising considering how brutal the Brits had been in other wars.

[funkychinaman]

Originally Posted by Phoenixent

Your cool as debate on subjects does gets the blood pressure up. I for one disagree with some of the Nuremberg trial outcomes. The big one is listing an SS soldier as part of a criminal organization. I am sure that was mostly at the behest of the Russians who's hands were bloodier then the entire SS. During World War II the one's with the cleanest hand were the British and Commonwealth Army as the rest of the allies hands were just as dirty as the Germans.

The fight between the Western Allies and Nazi Germany wasn't as bloodthirsty as the fight between Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union, but since the Western Allies were on the receiving ends of the Malmedy Massacre, Oradour-sur-Glane Massacre, the St. Anna Massacre, and the Ardeatine Massacre, which were all perpetrated by the Waffen-SS, I don't think the Western Allies really cared if the Russians wanted to be harsh.

[BurtReynoldsMoustache]

Originally Posted by funkychinaman

and I certainly wasn't the one who dropped an N-bomb in here.