5 Ridiculous Gun Myths Everyone Believes (Thanks to Movies)

[MT2008]

Originally Posted by MoviePropMaster2008

The biggest problem with this sentence is that he states outright that most militaries of the world don't issue rifles that have full auto capability. WTF? Gee, and all this time I thought that my AR-15 under my bed had one less select fire setting than an M16 or M4, how stupid of me Correct me if I'm wrong, but once the Brits retired their L1A1 SLRs, all the world's major military branches had select fire rifles. Even if he considers 3 round burst to NOT be full auto (the ATF thinks otherwise), he is still wrong for most of the other world's rifles.

He doesn't mean "the world"; he's referring to the U.S. military only. And he isn't saying we use semi-autos; he means burst capability. Which is true in part - most U.S. infantry rifles are safe-semi-burst. He is forgetting about the M249 and M240, but I guess he is mostly thinking rifles, since that's what most troops carry.

[MoviePropMaster2008]

Originally Posted by MT2008

He doesn't mean "the world"; he's referring to the U.S. military only. And he isn't saying we use semi-autos; he means burst capability. Which is true in part - most U.S. infantry rifles are safe-semi-burst. He is forgetting about the M249 and M240, but I guess he is mostly thinking rifles, since that's what most troops carry.

Yeah, I tend to think real world. 3 round Burst IS FULL AUTO to the ATF. heck to them even a 2 round 'burst' is full auto, and if done on a weapon that is not papered, you get 10 years in the slammer. I looked at the sentence. He says "many of the military's rifles don't even have that capability." I read it to mean "Military" as an all inclusive word for, well, the military, i.e. people in uniform. But it could be read as exclusively the U.S. Military (only) as well. I get what he means, but to gun geeks like myself, if he's not very specific, he sounds like a dork. But that's just me

[MT2008]

Originally Posted by MoviePropMaster2008

Yeah, I tend to think real world. 3 round Burst IS FULL AUTO to the ATF. heck to them even a 2 round 'burst' is full auto, and if done on a weapon that is not papered, you get 10 years in the slammer. I looked at the sentence. He says "many of the military's rifles don't even have that capability." I read it to mean "Military" as an all inclusive word for, well, the military, i.e. people in uniform. But it could be read as exclusively the U.S. Military (only) as well. I get what he means, but to gun geeks like myself, if he's not very specific, he sounds like a dork. But that's just me

*Shrugs* Sometimes you just gotta try to think like someone who isn't a movie gun geek like us. It's not easy, I admit, but with practice, it is achievable.

[Excalibur]

About the US military not being issued full auto rifles. Then who does get issued M4A1s in full auto. Some of the Marines I know all were issued them.

[k9870]

Ive known several people in army and marines. They wer eissued m16s or m4s depending on their job. All the m4s were full auto capable, but mostly fired in single. Ive never heard of burst fire pre a1 m4 being issued, ever. I think that was more a testing model or something.

[Excalibur]

That's what I was thinking. The M16s that the Marines I knew were of course the A2s because they didn't get the A4s under after they shipped back home. They all had M4s and they were all full auto capable, but of course trained to fire semi auto.

[MT2008]

Originally Posted by k9870

Ive known several people in army and marines. They wer eissued m16s or m4s depending on their job. All the m4s were full auto capable, but mostly fired in single. Ive never heard of burst fire pre a1 m4 being issued, ever. I think that was more a testing model or something.

I think you and Excalibur are both wrong. The M4A1 (full-auto) is issued mostly to SF. The standard M4 is not a "testing model"; it's the carbine used by the vast majority of our troops, and it's burst-fire.

U.S. military doctrine continues to frown upon full-auto for general use by infantry.