Bad news from the UK: Gunman shoots 12

[S&Wshooter]

Jesus Christ, the British are extremely stupid. You would think they would be smart enough to realize that no matter what you ban, criminals are just going to get it illegally just as they did before bans were even put into effect

[MoviePropMaster2008]

Originally Posted by S&Wshooter

Jesus Christ, the British are extremely stupid. You would think they would be smart enough to realize that no matter what you ban, criminals are just going to get it illegally just as they did before bans were even put into effect

You know, the gun haters in THIS country have come very close MANY TIMES to banning entire classes of weapons and have been successful in things like the MG 1986 ban on new transferables, and also have STATES enact draconian gun bans. The 2nd Amendment (and the political efforts of many good people) has stopped them, from going any farther, but I fear that eventually they will wipe out all ownership. So The brits didn't corner the market on stupid people and politicians.

[S&Wshooter]

Originally Posted by MoviePropMaster2008

You know, the gun haters in THIS country have come very close MANY TIMES to banning entire classes of weapons and have been successful in things like the MG 1986 ban on new transferables, and also have STATES enact draconian gun bans. The 2nd Amendment (and the political efforts of many good people) has stopped them, from going any farther, but I fear that eventually they will wipe out all ownership. So The brits didn't corner the market on stupid people and politicians.

I hate politicians. 99.99% are liars and about 98% of them would be in Federal Penitentiaries if the justice system worked the way it's supposed to

[Excalibur]

"very placid, very quiet man, kept himself to himself"

See, it's the quiet people you've gotta watch out for. The type that doesn't take much, "keeps to himself". Yeah those are the guys that somehow like a cliche ends up being the killers.

In the UK, they've banned metal bats and replica swords now because of a bank robbery, which was successful. You can get the really pricey thousand dollar collector swords, but you can not get any of those less than 100 dollar swords now.

They've got "assault knife" ban too. Next thing, they'll be banning steel chairs, or glass beer bottles, because we seem them use all the time.

[S&Wshooter]

Originally Posted by Excalibur

"very placid, very quiet man, kept himself to himself"

See, it's the quiet people you've gotta watch out for. The type that doesn't take much, "keeps to himself". Yeah those are the guys that somehow like a cliche ends up being the killers.

In the UK, they've banned metal bats and replica swords now because of a bank robbery, which was successful. You can get the really pricey thousand dollar collector swords, but you can not get any of those less than 100 dollar swords now.

They've got "assault knife" ban too. Next thing, they'll be banning steel chairs, or glass beer bottles, because we seem them use all the time.

They're trying to ban glass beer mugs too

[Excalibur]

Yeah, common sense. Taking away objects that were used in dangerous situation doesn't mean people can't get creative. I bet it'll get to a point where England people will start making shanks like they do in prison because all forms of knives will be banned, or start busting out ancient weapons again because they are less regulated than guns. People will start carrying mace, and I don't mean the sprays.

[Alcatrazz]

If you criminalize ____, only criminals will have ______.

[MT2008]

This is really horrible. And we all know what's gonna happen. Even with the Conservatives in power, new gun laws are inevitable (recall that Hungerford took place under Thatcher).

Originally Posted by MoviePropMaster2008

The 2nd Amendment (and the political efforts of many good people) has stopped them, from going any farther, but I fear that eventually they will wipe out all ownership. So The brits didn't corner the market on stupid people and politicians.

I don't. The United States is not the United Kingdom, so comparing the two is apples and oranges. In a few states (like California), things may continue to get worse, but I doubt there will ever be any serious, sweeping gun ban at the FEDERAL level. It would just be too unpopular.

Originally Posted by Excalibur

See, it's the quiet people you've gotta watch out for. The type that doesn't take much, "keeps to himself". Yeah those are the guys that somehow like a cliche ends up being the killers.

There's no "cliche", not even for the "quiet" types. The Secret Service has studied mass killers for years now, and they've repeatedly concluded that there is absolutely no profile for these people, besides the fact that they're always male, and have some type of grievance (legitimate or not).

[Excalibur]

Originally Posted by MT2008

I don't. The United States is not the United Kingdom, so comparing the two is apples and oranges. In a few states (like California), things may continue to get worse, but I doubt there will ever be any serious, sweeping gun ban at the FEDERAL level. It would just be too unpopular.

Apples and Oranges? More like a Fruit to a Cheese burger. The fact that this country is so big and with so many factions and chaos of people trying to make the world run their way, restricting guns like the UK has done can never happen. They tried to make laws in Chicago that pretty much bans handguns, but doesn't legally state that until that law was overturned because it was unconstitutional. Any suggestions or million march or some fat, old ultra feminist that wants to get rid of all guns and let only the government have the guns and swear all our safety to the big man in DC. Cause that's what I want to do in this country, trust that when I have a mad man that wants to kill me for my money or is just a killer, I want to trust my life and soul and the life of my family that the cops will get here in time, so I don't need a shotgun.

[MT2008]

Originally Posted by Excalibur

Apples and Oranges? More like a Fruit to a Cheese burger. The fact that this country is so big and with so many factions and chaos of people trying to make the world run their way, restricting guns like the UK has done can never happen. They tried to make laws in Chicago that pretty much bans handguns, but doesn't legally state that until that law was overturned because it was unconstitutional. Any suggestions or million march or some fat, old ultra feminist that wants to get rid of all guns and let only the government have the guns and swear all our safety to the big man in DC. Cause that's what I want to do in this country, trust that when I have a mad man that wants to kill me for my money or is just a killer, I want to trust my life and soul and the life of my family that the cops will get here in time, so I don't need a shotgun.

Long-winded way of agreeing with me, but...yes.