Severe allergies to foregrips?

[Mazryonh]

Originally Posted by gunguy001

If the actor doesn't want to use the K grip then they don't have too.
I always coach them to be comfy, because if they try to look like they know what they are doing they will fail.
They have a lot to worry about like lines and hitting the mark blah blah.

We are make a movie not saving the world.

I'm surprised that you didn't remove the foregrips from the guns used by the actors who don't want to use them. That would give them SOME plausibility. I think there's even accessories for certain firearms that allow for a better and safer grip on the magwell!

And here I was thinking that proper gun stance and gun grip techniques were crucial to convincingly displaying these actors as crack cops in Flashpoint. Extensive firearms training is essential with SWAT type units, after all.

[MT2008]

Originally Posted by Mazryonh

I'm surprised that you didn't remove the foregrips from the guns used by the actors who don't want to use them. That would give them SOME plausibility. I think there's even accessories for certain firearms that allow for a better and safer grip on the magwell!

And here I was thinking that proper gun stance and gun grip techniques were crucial to convincingly displaying these actors as crack cops in Flashpoint. Extensive firearms training is essential with SWAT type units, after all.

I really think you are obsessing over this a little too much. Actually, "little" might be an under-statement. If the failure of actors to use foregrips is impeding you from enjoying the show, then go watch another show.

As for the armorers, there's only so much they can do. Their first and foremost concern is safety, not realism (lack of safety is what gets people hurt...and brings lawsuits). It's difficult enough for armorers just to ensure safety on a big show with dozens of guns being used on-set. And the director is the one who decides if another take is necessary, not the armorer. If the director decides that an actor must use the foregrip on an M4 or MP5K at all times (as I'm sure Michael Mann would insist), then the actor is of course going to do what the director says. But most directors aren't like that. So if the director doesn't care, and the actor doesn't care, and the director doesn't care that the actor doesn't care...the armorer can't do anything about it, no matter how they might feel.

[MoviePropMaster2008]

Originally Posted by MT2008

I really think you are obsessing over this a little too much. Actually, "little" might be an under-statement. If the failure of actors to use foregrips is impeding you from enjoying the show, then go watch another show.

Its' called 'being argumentative' with a dose of Asperger Syndrome. I hate to say this, but if you were on a movie set and continued to press this issue to the extent that you have on the forum, Mazryonh, you would have been kicked off the set long ago.

[Mazryonh]

Originally Posted by MoviePropMaster2008

Its' called 'being argumentative' with a dose of Asperger Syndrome. I hate to say this, but if you were on a movie set and continued to press this issue to the extent that you have on the forum, Mazryonh, you would have been kicked off the set long ago.

I beg your pardon if I was being argumentative earlier.

It's just that I've seen productions with wildly differing budgets have wildly differing gun techniques. I used to believe that a more highly budgeted production would have better gun technique, but as I've seen on the wiki, that's obviously far from a sure bet.

I recently bought two DVD movies featuring lots of gun action, Passchendaele and Universal Soldier: Regeneration. The two were made with $20 million and $14 million respectively, chump change amongst the Hollywood crowd. I was thinking that with such a relatively low budget for the two of them, there would be bad gun technique. Remarkably, there wasn't.

While Passchendaele's battle sequences were brief compared to the total length of the film, the "behind the scenes" featurette actually showed that they went to some effort to train the actors (background and otherwise) in the use of the WWI-style firearms, even including the basics behind the bayonet drill and even how to whack someone's brain's out with the butt of your rifle convincingly (and safely). Unlike Saving Private Ryan, no one holds a rifle one-handed. There are no noticeable gaffes with the firearms, and the hand-to-hand combat all feels convincing--while it lasts.

As for US:R's case, all the gun-firing actors seemed to check out just fine, even the MMA fighters hired for this movie who aren't likely to have extensive firearms experience. No one I noticed in my repeated viewings holds a gun by the magwell (then again only one actor uses a gun with a foregrip in that movie, and yes, he uses the foregrip), everyone appears to be using proper stance, no one "looks like an actor handling a firearm for the first time," etc. All this for 14 million.

Now that you've told me differently, I can see once again how much sway directors can have over the production--though I'm not entirely certain just how much "respect" armourers get compared to all the famous egocentric escapades certain directors like James Cameron and Stanley Kubrick got away with. Whatever happened to treating your team like valuable assets with useful specialist knowledge to be given a modicum of respect and listened to when possible?

gunguy001,

About Canadian gun-related news, I hear the security for Canada's capital build in Ottawa are finally getting MP5s to supplement their sidearms. Are they going to use versions with foregrips and flashlights to make it easier? The 9mm version or the .40 S&W version?

[Excalibur]

Originally Posted by Mazryonh

gunguy001,

About Canadian gun-related news, I hear the security for Canada's capital build in Ottawa are finally getting MP5s to supplement their sidearms. Are they going to use versions with foregrips and flashlights to make it easier? The 9mm version or the .40 S&W version?

Wait, there's a .40 variant of the MP5? I thought there's only the 9 and the 10.

[Rockwolf66]

Originally Posted by Excalibur

Wait, there's a .40 variant of the MP5? I thought there's only the 9 and the 10.

Well as most users found that the 10mm was way too hot for those who only qualify with their handguns and switched over to the .40 S&W. H&K decided to rechamber the 10mm MP5 to the .40S&W. that way they could expand their market. unfortunantly for them SWAT teams here in the states have switched over the the M4 carbine style weapons.

[Excalibur]

Well SWAT Teams do still use MP5s.

[gunguy001]

Originally Posted by Mazryonh

I'm surprised that you didn't remove the foregrips from the guns used by the actors who don't want to use them. That would give them SOME plausibility. I think there's even accessories for certain firearms that allow for a better and safer grip on the magwell!

And here I was thinking that proper gun stance and gun grip techniques were crucial to convincingly displaying these actors as crack cops in Flashpoint. Extensive firearms training is essential with SWAT type units, after all.

Here's a few reasons to make it clear.

1. We are Canadians

2. I told the cast about you and they are going out of their way to avoid the "grip"

3. We Canadians put cheese and gravy on our fries

4. The liberal government at the time could not afford "K"grips so I was never trained on the characteristics, use and maintenance of the vertical forward grip MkI

k9870 I'm wondering, how did you get the jennings to cycle in boondock saints 2? Those guns choke on real ammo let alone blanks.

It's straight blowback.....well, we really screamed threats at it.

[Excalibur]

Originally Posted by gunguy001

Here's a few reasons to make it clear.

1. We are Canadians

2. I told the cast about you and they are going out of their way to avoid the "grip"

3. We Canadians put cheese and gravy on our fries

4. The liberal government at the time could not afford "K"grips so I was never trained on the characteristics, use and maintenance of the vertical forward grip MkI



It's straight blowback.....well, we really screamed threats at it.

I am laughing my ass off right now