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10mm Auto: (Un)fairly ignored?
Hi,
I've heard a lot about this "cartridge that was too hot for the FBI," and from what I can gather the 10x25mm cartridge was supposed to definitively settle the "9x19mm or .45 ACP?" question for pistols and SMGs. On paper it seems quite nice. In short, it has better magazine capacity than the .45 ACP, with more velocity, range, and kinetic energy in most loadings than both the 9x19mm and the .45 ACP cartridges. I hear that in longer-barrelled firearms, like the MP5/10 or the rare custom-made pistol-caliber carbine, the effective range is increased to 270 metres--not bad for a pistol cartridge. The chief complaints I've seen were that it had too much recoil for most shooters (which brought about the .40 S&W), the rarity and higher cost of the ammunition, and the lack of guns chambered for it. While I'll certainly admit that some shooters value their comfort when firing their weapons, I still think enough practice for the right professional shooters could tame the cartridge's recoil and make use of its power more effectively (furthermore, in a life-or-death situation, you don't care about whether your ammunition's "comfortable" to shoot--just about whether it can reliably and accurately land on target). The lack of firearms and the expense of the ammunition is really a commercial question, not a ballistic one, but a few manufacturers have stepped up to the plate for this unsung cartridge. Still, it seems that on this wiki guns like the Glock 20, the Colt Delta Elite, or the Star Megastar for 10x25mm get next to no love. I would certainly like to see more 10x25mm firearms in games, because I think it'd be nice to see a pistol or SMG-class weapon with surprisingly high stopping power and range that is NOT a Desert Eagle or PDW. I can't help but wonder just how much potential is going to waste with this cartridge class--could this have been the cartridge the OHWS program could have used instead for better range and stopping power? Could the MP5/10 be that much more useful over its less-powerful cousins? Could you turn this into a PDW round, like how the Russians turned the 9x19mm cartridge into a PDW round with their 7N31 loading? I'd like to hear some relevant info about all this. It certainly sounds like a cartridge type that could definitely be useful for SWAT-type police teams or the like. EDIT: Those who want to see a nice discussion forum for this underappreciated cartridge, including information on which guns use it and classifieds with ads on the right handguns and accessories to buy them, can go here: http://www.ar15armory.com/forums/10m...rums-f187.html EDIT: Another advocacy article for this cartridge can be found here. I'd like to know how much of it is believable: http://www.greent.com/40Page/ammo/10/10mm-advoc.htm Last edited by Mazryonh; 02-19-2010 at 09:24 PM. Reason: New Link added. |
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I've been obsessed with 10mm since Rainbow Six Rogue Spear had MP5's in 10mm.
I like the sound of the round too, but mostly just because it's unique. Maybe the problem is that the round tries to fill a hole that doesn't exist, like the .45 GAP(as mentioned on the 9v45 thread). |
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Well, the problem is the federal girly men couldnt take recoil so they made a 10mm "fbi load" with reduced recoil. It was a basically a long cased 40, somebody was like "hey couldnt we make the cartridge shorter? and 40 s&w was made, became wildly popular, and 10mm auto was almost completely ignored, but recently made some comebacks. Many 1911s, the glock 20/29, and even the bren 10s coming back
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Well, there are two other issued with the 10mm. It's a long cartidge, which means only large-frame guns can be chambered in it - it's like a .45 ACP vs 9mm Glock, the .45 model is beefier. The .40 can be chambered in a standard size 9mm frame, which in turn make the pistol lighter (this is not a meaningless factor when it's carried all day) and easier for most shooters to handle.
The other, of course, is that yes you can be trained to use a heavier-recoiling gun, but the lighter one will take less training, and therefore less time and money. Don't forget there's no such thing as a professional pistol shooter - cops / soldier / federal agents have better things spend their training time and budget on than handgun shooting. |
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The best use for 10mm ive heard is a trail gun. Some people dont shoot revolvers well, and a 10mm delivers near .357 power in an auto.
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And yes, at least one special operations unit uses a 10x25mm handgun (the Glock 20) as a "trail weapon," since they're a dogsled patrol unit from Denmark that patrols Greenland. They need something like that to confront polar bears, since animals like them simply laugh off 9x19mm rounds. You can read about them here--just search for "Sirius": http://www.specialoperations.com/Foreign/Denmark/ I'd still like to know whether 10x25mm SMGs would be a more economical and effective choice for a law enforcement unit to use than compact assault rifles/PDWs, and if the 10x25mm round can actually be upgraded to PDW-levels of penetration. |
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