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Old 08-22-2010, 06:26 AM
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I should start by asking a question nobody else has asked yet...when you say, "in the United States", does that mean you aren't originally from the U.S.? The only reason I ask is because you have to be a Permanent Resident to buy a firearm. But maybe you knew that already, so I apologize if I'm telling you anything that is irrelevant.

In my opinion, an AR-15 in .223 is a perfectly sane choice for a first long gun if you have $2,000 to spend. AKs are fun, too, but they're usually purchased by people who (A.) can't afford ARs, or (B.) just want to have one for collection purposes (i.e. myself). ARs are fairly easy for most people new to long guns to master; most people find it easy to shoot good shot groups at 25 yards almost as soon as they pick up the weapon (well, OK, after zeroing, of course ). I own both an AR and an AK, and the AR is all I ever shoot these days.

As far as a .22 goes: Screw it. .22s are for kids who haven't hit puberty yet (or really, really skinny girls). For someone your age and size, you won't have any more problems with a .223 than you'd have with a .22. Plus, .22s just feel like toys. The ammo cost is the only advantage, and I'm of the opinion that you might as well just save for something in a larger caliber and get the most fun out of the experience. Even for plinking, an AR-15 is a good choice. You can get one of the cheaper models that's made for people who only intend to plink; I recommend checking out the "Plinker Plus" line from Olympic Arms for a start.

Oh, and unless you plan to do serious target shooting, forget about anything chambered in .308. I don't know anybody who owns a .308 and enjoys shooting it just for fun. The guys who own M1As and Remy 700s are the types of dudes who will buy the rifle and then put down another $2-$3 Grande replacing the barrel, scope, stock, and almost everything that the rifle comes with from the factory. My uncle owns an M1A that he almost never shoots (he once told me that he only bought it out of nostalgia - the M14 was what he trained on in ROTC).
My only disagreement with you on the .22s is they are convenient when you a) Don't want people two miles away to hear you plinking with Zuess' thunderbolts (.223s and 7.62x39mms are fucking LOUD), b) If you want to get down drilling multiple targets without recoil. Many professionals train on .22 converted guns similar to their competition guns to get down the basics then practice recoil control after. And finally c) You can buy a 500 brick of .22s for a much better deal than any other rifle caliber. I'd say a good deal would be to buy a .223 AR-15, and then spend a little more money buying a .22 conversion upper kit for the AR. That way you can shoot both .223 and .22 out of the same weapon, so you can practice quitely and recoilessly with the .22, and then use the .223 for recoil training and more serious events.
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