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Originally Posted by Yournamehere
Given that though, I think it's an R&D thing. As far as I can tell, the P227 is literally a P220 with a slightly stretched frame to accommodate (only) 2 more rounds. The 14 round extendeds, to me, are a beefy joke. If SIG had gone from the ground up, the could easily make something far more light and trim, but they want parts commonality and ease of manufacture along with reduced R&D time and cost, so they churn out something "new" that kind of isn't. And to top it off, you lose that slimness of the single stack P220, as well as all the prestige that comes with the model name.
Most companies just want to adapt the parts that they have to popular concepts instead of tooling up to make a proprietary but potentially groundbreaking product, and that's the core issue. You'd think that converting a single to a double wouldn't be such a problem, but it is, especially with a company like SIG whose flagship handgun is legendarily chunky. All in all, another "innovative" design hasn't innovated, it's merely split the difference. The P227 is not truly double stack/high capacity, it's not really more trim than other options that exists (some with better capacities), and it's not very prestigious either, but it's not a P220 either. Aside from SIGs decocker and other proprietary items from their other models, nothing separates this gun from the lame HK45 as far as I'm concerned, at least in a concept applied sense.
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I think this analysis is completely on-point. SIG-Sauer's problem for years now has been that they value ease of manufacture and interchangeability of parts/manufacturing processes for their products. This mentality has led to a steady decline in QC in the last 20 years. Unfortunately, the 227 was clearly designed and released with the same vision in mind: The web site and marketing brochures even brag that it uses the same slide as the 220.
I also agree that it's not going to sit well in a marketplace dominated by guns like the XD45, but I am sure that the P227 is still going to get snatched up simply for being a SIG (just as the HK45, in spite of its disappointing magazine capacity, sold well simply for being an H&K). Alas, this also means that SIG isn't going to learn any lessons and will keep putting out guns that are far below the standard set by its German-made stamped-slide pistols in the 1980s.
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Originally Posted by The Wierd It
I've definitely seen photos of Green Berets and Rangers with Glocks doing state-side range work.
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Speaking of SOF and the P227:
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I spoke with customer service...As far as getting the gun to the public, one issue, I'm told, was the Special Forces got the first order of 4,000 guns off the assembly line.
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http://sigtalk.com/sig-sauer-pistols...-review-2.html
Not sure if this is true, though I remember reading elsewhere that the same thing happened when the HK45C Tactical came out.