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Originally Posted by funkychinaman

There's too much to quote, so again, I ask, why bother spending all that time practicing using something that won't be used that often in combat?

Okay, maybe next time I'll use fewer sources. Were you at work when you first read that post?

Originally Posted by funkychinaman

If LE can be bothered to train to use 10mm as their PRIMARY weapon, why would servicemen train to use it as a BACKUP?

Because thanks to their short barrel lengths, pistols are undeniably deficient in their ballistics. To get their full potential, you really need to go for a pistol-caliber carbine. Of course, you could always go with more powerful cartridges, but the fact remains you waste a lot of the powder's energy the shorter the barrel gets, most of the time. Muzzle flash is just the visible signature of the powder's energy being wasted on useless light and heat rather than being directed to the ammunition. So to me the 10x25mm round is a good compromise between the capacity of the "wonder nines" and the stopping power but limited materials penetration of the .45 ACP. I've already gone over the round's advantages already (longer range, better energy at 100 yards than the .45 ACP has at the MUZZLE, better cover penetration, similar capacity to 9x19mm handguns)--having those handy when you're forced to use your pistol could definitely save you from becoming another "terrorist kill statistic." Your female MP friend could certainly use a less anemic pistol if the situation called for it.

Every time I watch the "Hurt Locker" scene where Sergeant James walks up to a VBIED driver and slowly puts his Beretta 92 to the driver's forehead, I'm reminded of this video which depicts how well properly loaded 10x25mm rounds can penetrate auto glass, even when they're Winchester Silvertips (a form of hollow point bullet which expands the moment it hits hard cover, but in this case had enough energy to go past the glass and make a deep hole through the catching material). If Sgt. James was using a Glock 20 instead, he could have popped the VBIED driver's noggin without putting it through the open window had the driver proved threatening, assuming the driver was not using a dead man's switch for the bomb.

The examples I linked to in an earlier post show that even those who are short and small are perfectly capable of handling "larger-caliber pistols" (a somewhat relative term) well, assuming they get their mindset and "combat reactions" right.

Originally Posted by funkychinaman

If you're going to give them a foregrip, then why even settle for a pistol?

I meant to ask why such a nifty feature isn't present on more pistols. Usually when features like that only show up on a few models it's because a patent is involved (like the FN F2000's unique forward casing ejection system, which would be really nice to have on bullpup rifles everywhere). I thought you, or someone else reading that post, might have known.

Originally Posted by funkychinaman

And as far as I know, there wasn't a winner in the JCP competition.

But in cancelling the program, isn't it akin to the competition organizers declaring that "Everyone lost"? I don't think everyone who competed was so incompetent they couldn't meet the objectives. The HK45 seems to have some good reviews, for instance.