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Old 11-08-2011, 06:58 PM
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Length does allow the size of a gun to be roughly gauged; for example, based on the height of the actor holding it (if you're willing to BS it a little from Da Vinci's notes on Vitruvius* you can use any part of him if you know his height, even; for example, the length of an actor's arm is roughly his height multiplied by 0.375), or if it's in a rack with other weapons you can gauge the length of one by the lengths of the others. It's also useful if there are versions of varying length.
I have never identified a firearm through it's length, always through it's features. Or quite simply how it looks. Even if you did use Da Vinci's method of measurement it would be an estimate/ guess and it is basically wrong. So there is no point in length really.

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As I said, fire modes are only useful in certain situations. A manually-operated weapon would never really need that column, but it's always there anyway. In much the same way, length is potentially useful in IDs. It should also be noted that the rules caution against descriptions being too brief. I think year / type / length / weight / calibre / capacity / fire modes is a reasonable compromise between too much and too little. According to the rules we should also have a field for country of origin in there somewhere.
I have to disagree with firemodes in that I believe it is useful. There are several firearms that look like they could be automatic but are single shot in their standard out of the box form (examples, Claridge/Goncz Hi-Tech, TEC-DC9, AA AP-9, SP-89, HK 94, Steyr SPP, Bruggert & Thommet TP9, Enfield L1A1, and numerous others) I also believe manually operated firearms should have it as there are firearms that look like they are automatic but are manually operated (examples Barrett M95, Blaser R93, Benelli M3, and the XM26 - MASS underbarrel shotgun)

I thing country of origin is unnecessary and will add clutter. However it could be implemented maybe by having a small flag icon like on wikipedia, or just having the country of origin in the firearm description.

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Things like barrel length, effective range, rate of fire (except auto RoF as part of fire modes), action, muzzle velocity, sights and so on I'd agree with dropping on pages where they're present. Though clicking around, a lot of pages have no statistics at all.
I agree, it's too encyclopedic. Also alot of pages do not have statistics because there is no set template in the rules. Some People simply do not add stats.

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Also, a lot of pages don't have any standards for fire modes; for example, some list safe as a mode while others do not. Are we just covering fire selector positions, or do we include "safe" on anything which has a safety?
Theres no standards but I refer to the M16 & AK-47 page as the standard and put the selector switch options. Also keep in mind some firearms do not have safeties.


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Edit: Probably the best solution would be a template with fields to fill out; that way people wouldn't be tempted to add extra specs because there'd be nowhere to put them.
Good idea

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