Thread: AK-47 vs M16
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Old 05-19-2009, 11:31 PM
jdun jdun is offline
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Originally Posted by k9870 View Post
I actually haven't heard any of the Iraq vets I know complain about reliability, they were pretty OCD on their maintenance. The complaint is caliber. The person I work with was army before USCG, he saw 5.56 ricochet off windshields and house walls when the 7.62 would pierce it. And as to AR15.com, that site is full of mall ninjas, sorry Ive looked there when doing research before and it seems like they only care abpout how tacticool they can make their m4geries and if you try to say anything is better they flip out.
Unlike your game kiddie wannabe friend the people on AR15 actually own and shoot firearms. Many saw combat and some are teachers. I seriously doubt your friend has any military experience or firearm training.

Anyone that said the 5.56 ricochet off windshields has no creditability. The 5.56 have no problem penetrating unarmored car windshields. It's not my opinion it is a fact.

It is also a fact that no small arms calibers has 100% stopping power. In other words you don't fire one shot and wait to see if your opponent goes down or not. You double tap your opponent. Double tap him again if he doesn't go down. Double tap him if he is moving. This happen in a matter of a single second.

If the 5.56 was so bad then why did the Soviet made their own version?

Current there are over 4000 US military personnel that were killed in Iraq. Keep in mind that I'm not trivializing their sacrifices. I just want to make a point. There is about 4000 Americans killed a month in car accident. There is about 4000 Americans that drown each year. There is about 4000 Americans that die from the flue each months. In over 8 years if the 5.56 was that bad as you said it is then you would expect far more Americans to die in Iraq right? I mean they went house to house killing those SOB. The Blackwater guys didn't have a problem killing with 5.56 at range well over 200 yards.

There is always a trade off between large and small calibers. I'll list some of them.

1. Control. You get better control with the 5.56 then 7.62. Five paper targets at 25 yards. You have to double tap them each. Which calibers do you think will do it faster and more accurate? The 5.56.

2. Weight. You can carry twice as much 5.56 ammo then 7.62. 100 rounds of 7.62 vs 210 rounds of 5.56. Which would you prefer? In intensive combat you can go through hundreds of rounds in minutes. In place like Afghanistan you don't have a magic wand to conjure extra ammo. What you carry is what you got. Resupplies can takes a long time to arrive.

3. Magazine size. The 5.56 hold more per magazine then the 7.62.

4. Pain level. You can shoot 5.56 continuously without effecting your performance. That isn't the case with 7.62 where there is a point the pain will effect your accuracy.

5. Larger calibers mean bigger guns that translate to more weight you have to carry.

Last edited by jdun; 05-19-2009 at 11:35 PM.
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