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Spartan198 01-21-2017 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by SPEMack618 (Post 43323)
Hell, I'm gonna be that guy longing for my Beretta when I finally have to give it up.

Why? I mean, the P320 does anything the Beretta can do, but in a smaller package.

AdAstra2009 01-21-2017 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Spartan198 (Post 43329)
Why? I mean, the P320 does anything the Beretta can do, but in a smaller package.

Metal framed guns are better for pistol whipping! They also absorb more recoil.

Nyles 01-22-2017 03:00 AM

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Originally Posted by AdAstra2009 (Post 43326)
Yep, sidearms are not exactly decisive weapons. If your issued a sidearm its because your not expected to really use it.

Truth. The main reason I had one in Afghanistan is that I worked at a desk and it saved me from lugging my C7 around for no reason. I even bought a Fobus holster so I could take it off and toss it on my desk without undoing my belt.

Mazryonh 01-22-2017 04:55 AM

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Originally Posted by AdAstra2009 (Post 43326)
Yep, sidearms are not exactly decisive weapons. If your issued a sidearm its because your not expected to really use it.

There have been attempts to bridge the gap between the portability of a sidearm and the ease of use of a long gun. One weapon, the B&T USW has the size and shape of a sidearm to allow holstering, but also has a buttstock and mini red dot sight to make longer-distance shots easier.

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Originally Posted by AdAstra2009 (Post 43331)
Metal framed guns are better for pistol whipping! They also absorb more recoil.

Sure, metal-framed guns can be used as improvised hammers, but those used to Glocks had best get used to the increased weight of all-metal guns.

I wonder if this contract means that SIG handgun parts will become more common. Or even if the price of P320 handguns will decrease or be available on the surplus market. SIG P320 has a .45 ACP option available, which is something they could adopt. Given how SIG-Sauer made a 10mm version of their older P220 handgun, there's a chance they could make a 10mm version based on their P320 frame too.

Jcordell 01-22-2017 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Excalibur (Post 43324)
Realistically, a firearm should be as simple as possible. A sidearm should just have no manual safety or a decocker. Just point and shoot and teach basic safety to the troops when handling them. A striker fire gun has a good trigger and is less problematic than a hammer fire gun

I agree so the Army should go with the S&W Model 10 M&P revolver - .38 Special. ;)

S&Wshooter 01-23-2017 03:11 AM

You guys are missing the fact that if the frame gets all wore out and loose you can just toss it and get a new one with no hassle or anything, as it is not the serialized part and is fairly inexpensive. Also now retards will stop bitching about the slide mounted safety

Excalibur 01-23-2017 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by S&Wshooter (Post 43335)
You guys are missing the fact that if the frame gets all wore out and loose you can just toss it and get a new one with no hassle or anything, as it is not the serialized part and is fairly inexpensive. Also now retards will stop bitching about the slide mounted safety

Yeah, but they made SIG create a new variant of the P320 with a manual safety.

I also disagree that if you are issued a pistol, you're not expected to use it. I think the mindset is that it's for certain people in certain situations that it's better to have a gun and not need it, even if you are say a guy doing supplies on base and you're rifle is somewhere else, or you drive for a living. I mean, SF guys have sidearms and they are fully expected to use them in combat, but handguns are not the be all end all in any combat situation.

If something goes bump in the night, I'm reaching for a bigger gun.

Jcordell 01-24-2017 06:47 AM

In all seriousness I think it will be fine. Easy to maintain, simple in it's function, easy to teach personnel who have no prior experience with real firearms and ,one assumes, sturdy and reliable. Polymer pistols are the new reality and they're here to stay. For the Army to choose a polymer pistol says something. The Army resisted the trend for a long time. Hell I carry a Glock 19 on duty and I have no issues with it. When I retire my department will gift it to me and I'm a dyed in the wool blue steel and wood furniture kind of guy. Your average soldier (not Delta, SF or Rangers) doesn't really give a shit about what he/she carries as long as it goes bang when they need it and it isn't horrifically heavy.

Excalibur 01-24-2017 04:41 PM

I think most troops who are more trained would probably carry it with the safety off since it was designed without one and practice their draw to make sure the safety is off. I know some people who do that with guns that have manual safeties. Maybe they can get permission to get ones without the safeties or remove them.

Jcordell 01-24-2017 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Excalibur (Post 43343)
I think most troops who are more trained would probably carry it with the safety off since it was designed without one and practice their draw to make sure the safety is off. I know some people who do that with guns that have manual safeties. Maybe they can get permission to get ones without the safeties or remove them.

It's the Army. The Army is a big believer that if you give a soldier an anvil and then leave him/her alone on a deserted island for a few hours when you come back the anvil will be broken. I served with guys who were basically a big bag or rocks. I get it. Might not agree with it, but I get it.


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