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Pyramid Silent 06-22-2015 05:38 PM

Musket Category
 
We have:
Brown Bess Flintlock Musket
http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Brown_Bess_Flintlock_Musket
Charleville Musket
http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Charleville_Musket
Jezail musket
http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Jezail_musket
Wheellock Musket
http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Wheellock_...eellock_Musket
Japanese Musket
http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Tanegashima
Kabyle Musket
http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Kabyle_Musket
Matchlock Musket
http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Matchlock
At least seven varios musket rages. May be useful to create the Musket Category?

Mazryonh 06-24-2015 03:11 AM

I'd like there to be a specific category for Muskets. But right now I feel the "muzzleloader" category works just fine right now, given that pre-modern firearms went through several major innovations (from matchlock to wheellock to flintlock to percussion cap, etc.) but still fit well under the category of muzzleloader". Having so many categories with very few entries in each might not be amenable to the mods/admins either.

By the way, for the sake of accurate categorization, the Tanegashima wouldn't fit in the musket category, as it's an arquebus.

commando552 06-24-2015 08:07 PM

The term "musket" is not that definitive and has been used differently throughout history and in different countries. If you wanted to split it simply on the smoothbore/rifled lines, there are a couple more reason why this wouldn't necessarily be a good idea.

Firstly, a main purpose of the categories is to help people ID unknown weapons, so if it is unknown they will not be able to tell if it is rifles or not to know if it is actually a musket.

Secondly, you have the case of the rifled muskets which in some cases were indistinguishable or at least very similar to their smoothbore brethren, would these go in the musket category? Along with this you have the fact that a lot of replicas either have rifling when they shouldn't or vice versa which would technically mean they were in a different category.

Lastly, a lot of the things that you have described as "muskets" (implying smoothbore) could also be rifled, including Matchlocks, Wheellocks, Tanegashimas, and Jezails as far as I have seen.

If you aren't differentiating a Musket from a Rifle based purely on whether it has rifling, what criteria would you use for a musket? There are plenty of early cartridge rifles which as the time were described as "Muskets", should these go in this category despite the fact that this is not how they would be described today?

Jcordell 06-24-2015 10:47 PM

I think that's a category that really isn't needed. As pointed out by others musket is a very broad category and I think we're doing okay with what we've got.

Mazryonh 06-27-2015 12:56 AM

Couldn't we also say that mortars are muzzleloaders? There are a few modern muzzleloading rifles being manufactured today as well, but it's unlikely they will be featured in current media.

MoviePropMaster2008 07-12-2015 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mazryonh (Post 41907)
Couldn't we also say that mortars are muzzleloaders? There are a few modern muzzleloading rifles being manufactured today as well, but it's unlikely they will be featured in current media.

Nope. That's an unnecessary distinction that will actually cause MORE confusion to the general public.


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