The ATF and Custom are stupid about Airsoft
Look, I know I should be open minded, calm and civil when it comes to how ignorant, arrogant and well dumb our law enforcement agencies can be about guns, but this story I came across randomly just makes me piss.
I used to be in Airsoft. I played in college when I was in Purdue, part of a team that's part of an even bigger group all across the state. We went to Kentucky to take part in a mock battle of Operation Irene and played with THE Colonel McKnight in Airsoft, Marines, soldiers, police. Airsoft is a sport, a game, serious and fun. This story I found about the ATF confiscating a shipment of Airsoft to a local mom and pop store because they can be converted into REAL guns made me mad, just mad. And how the ATF would dodge the questions and comments about if they can be made to shoot live rounds. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rEuT...eature=related The follow up story http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPx_k...eature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1Fm4...eature=related Listening to all this is just wow. 50,000 dollars worth of Airsoft stolen by the ATF. I mean this is stupid. They don't want to confiscate real shipments of guns coming into the US, but they want to confiscate pretty much toys. Looks like that one british commercial about airsoft being converted to live guns have screwed with the ATF's heads Let me be clear, an Airsoft player will treat Airsoft like real firearms. We use the same gun rules, treat all if they are loaded, never point at anything that you are not willing to destroy, finger off the trigger until on target. We wear eye protections, before we play, we go over the safety and realities, we even have medics on site at big games. I was at Walgreens recently and I saw a Nerf gun that's a double barrel rifle. Put 2 shells and bang. ATF going to get those? I mean someone can convert those into real guns right? They going to start taking away Red Ryders? My Daisy? (being sarcastic) And the news vids are actually very neutral in their reporting instead of the usual Fox anti-gun bullshit |
It'd be easier to MAKE a frickin' gun than it would be to convert something like that
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Personally I am wondering about Unlawful search and sesure here.
If I was the local federal judge I would personally throw out the case and then ask the regional ATF head to fire these clowns. They are giving everyone in law enforcement a bad name. |
According to the guy who was wronged by the ATF, he called the main office of the BATFE and he got someone who said that Airsoft is not under their jurisdiction and to give the man at the Oregon's local office their number, but the local office at Oregon didn't care
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I'd get petitions and support from everyone I can get and get a rally outside the local ATF building that stole my shit
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Wow, that's messed up. On a side note, I didn't know that airsoft rules fell under BATF's jurisdiction? I know they are regulated by Customs since they (mostly) come into this country from Asia.
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Well if I can convert an Airsoft Gun into a real one, I could go make a army of operators by buying these and a dozen copies of MW2. Now I feel good about my tax dollars.
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It doesn't even seem physically possible. Most good Airsoft are made of aluminum and other light metals. including the barrel, which isn't even big enough for a .22LR to fit through. And if you could chamber a round, you'd need to get a bolt assemble, another trigger piece and even then there's a possibility of the round exploding inside this thing. It's just not designed to shoot real bullets.
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My Boyi M4 is a lower-end airgun (cost me a around $70 with shipping) and it has a steel barrel, receiver sight rail, and rear sight carry handle, but the rest of it is plastic and you can't open up the receiver to get to the guts.
I would imagine this fear of airsoft guns converted to real guns is drawn from some airsoft guns being converted as such from real guns (the local army surplus has a number of AR-15 type airsoft rifles that are converted from real rifles) and the illogical theory that they can somehow be converted back to live fire. |
My Classic Army M4 costs almost 300. Full metal body, RIS and a crane stock, but those are aftermarket things I got for it. Originally it looks like a factory carbine. You can take it apart just like a real M4, but once you do, the insides don't have possible spaces to store a real bolt and buffer tube or charging handle.
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Nowadays, 300 for a stock rifle is a rip. Prices are a lot lower than they were 4 years ago when I bought it. The market's different. A classic army rifle of the same type now is half the price it was when I entered college a few years back. And that was before I did some work on it. It's worth a couple hundred more today than it did before.
Airsoft is expensive. You look up prices for the top models, they will cost you to play. Otherwise go settle with Walmart $30 pieces of crap. |
Or you could buy a $60 dollar bolt action spring gun and kick some ass
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During my heyday in the team I was in, we would have a set of woodland and desert camo for the different seasons and that includes a boonie or a helmet. We have to get good boots to avoid twisting ankle, gloves, etc. That alone would cost you over 100. My team in college consists of 2 ROTC guys who are training to be in the Marines, and one working out to be a cop. Our team leader was a foreign exchange student who was in the British paratroopers. We used to make jokes about him being our Captain Price from Call of Duty. And we would run the same rifle systems so that we can share magazines during skirmishes. It started out with some of us using M4/M16 platforms, and G3s. One guy had an L85A1 and another an L86, Then we all changed to M4 platforms and one guy had a SAW. Depending on how many of the team goes to play, at least one of us has an M203 attached We would have one guy who also carries a sniper rifle, but eventually he stop bringing it because there is never a moment to use it. Airsoft is too fast for sniping. We have fun, but we don't go running around the forest in jeans and a Hawaiian t-shirt. We trained, work out, party. It was like any sport to us. Sure, we played with and against the occasional guy who just runs around being an idiot Rambo with his overpriced system. To us, over 1,000 is absurdly expensive. And then we play against soldiers, police and guys who are just better. As I said it's fun and intense. These are some trailers that feature the biggest Airsoft operation in the country with Col. Danny McKnight present. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIRpdTYj_JA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Na4PLW7-oE |
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I always went in light as possible - BDUs, cheap Pantac vest and PASGT helmet replica, stock Tokyo MP5A3 with Surefire grip (sometimes my M16A2), eight mags (which I usually carried in pouches across my vest and in my belt), pretty much nothing else. My first two skirmishes ever, I would carry my Beretta in a cheap thigh holster I bought at a gun show, but eventually decided it wasn't worth the weight. I usually got killed before I could use it, anyway. I discovered pretty quickly that urban Tigerstripe BDUs made me too visible in the woods when there are a lot of thick (brown) trees around and not enough foliage. :D |
Whenever I used to play, it was a bunch of dudes with spring pistols (occasionally a pump gun) wearing jeans and some sort of jacket
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Well I have thick thighs, so not much of a problem with me
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ATF scumbag.
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lol Airsoft confiscation. Don't they have anything better to do than to seizing a shipment of toys.
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