What do you think of this?
 

A video game show built a perfect replica of "The Pit" from the Modern Warfare 2 Campaign. They then got a real operator to run through the course with a live weapon to time how fast he could do it. And meanwhile they have another guy in a tent play the same level with a 360 and time him how long it takes.

Heres a link to the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oB3sd7n7jo

Not a bad showing from an SAS member. Some points to make...A: that's not an MP5 but the magazine is that of a GSG5. B: all SAS members are sniper trained to make headshots from as far away as possible(but few of them are fully acredited Snipers). C: Said Gamerboy should have had the autoaim off.

They should see how gamers do on the real course.

First off, this brit is playing on a console, a simulation while this so called SAS is in real life where actual human stamina, and feelings and endurance comes into play. In the game world, there is no endurance, no stress, no sound, nothing to bother the player besides scratching his ass and rubbing his eyes. You don't take fall damage when you jump off, unlike real life where if you jump down from that high up, you'll feel it and you'll slow down.

Also the weapon the SAS guy was using was NOT an MP5, it was a semi-auto GSG5, a .22LR clone of an MP5. The MP5 in the game was the shorter MP5K and it is a full automatic weapon. That's a difference in range, firepower and select fire.

Also, PC gamers of MW2 can beat the Pit in 30 seconds because of the sensitivity of the mouse and keyboard compared to a console controller.

You also have to take into account that in real life, you wouldn't "run" through a course like that by literally running through it like you do in a game. In a game, you don't matter if your tactics is stupid by charging ahead. Shooting on the move in real life drastically affects accuracy, while in the game, shooting on the run has little effect on accuracy.

And seriously, a gamer who beats a course on a game while a real pro does it in real life...no match at all. This little show is stupid and pointless.

And I heard it, Gears of War is not an FPS.


This is all I have to say about this British shit show. Knows nothing about guns and obviously nothing about real combat. Yeah, a sniper doesn't do this kind of shooting. Sure he would have had training in a course like this, but he's a sniper.

I played this exact same match up on my PC. 30.5 seconds using the MP5K and I didn't even reload once. I emptied the entire mag and at the very end of the course, I ran out and drew my USP. I've seen someone do it in 24.5 seconds http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HftaNSA3a4

30.5 :( I did it in 35.4 but I was using an M9 and the USP. I got 38 seconds using the ACR M9. Doesn't it seem a little unfair that he was using a .22? And the guy in the console had the unfair advantage of running the level several times before hand. Still GJ to the guy actually running the course.

And Gears of War is a 3rd person isn't it?

Dang Excaliber,

Personally I have family who are former SAS. While the comparison is shit, the difference in tactics is very clear. Personally I would love to use more RL tactics in videogames but every FPS I have run across is designed to be run and gun not true to life tactical.

Well when I was in Airsoft, my team leader was in the British paratrooper. He came to america as an exchange student and decided to take over the Airsoft team.

When I was playing, even though he had formal military training, he taught everyone to not treat Airsoft as a complete simulation of the real thing because our lives arent at stake and this is mostly for fun and competition. Sure we use a lot of military tactics, but they are all modified for the game.

The same can be said about shooters. You aren't getting hurt, tired or stressed out as your character that you are playing would be. You can push the character farther and faster than a real person, putting yourself in harms way and guns blazing. Tactics like that are the key to shooters.

Also 30.5 wasn't my record. I just did the course right away after I saw him use the MP5K and wanted to see how I fair with the same load out. This man on the vid obviously forgot he had a sidearm. He reloaded at least once but I heard him commented that he was reloading again, so twice. He never reloaded any of my weapons when I run the Pit. I just switch to my secondary.

Excal,
Did you notice that the ex-SAS guy did not reload once durring his run? The GSG5 has a magazine of 22 rounds if i remember the ads. This means that with a round in the chamber and a full magazine he hit every one of his targets with a single shot and was dry at the end of his run through. Thus the former SAS guy scores much higher due to accuracy. Ie, 23 rounds fired versus 60+ to 90 rounds fired.

There are 23 targets on the course. He should have reloaded at least ONCE. So

There are a total of 24 targets and one of them you have to melee attack meaning that to get a perfect accuracy score you have to fire a grand total of 23 shots and not miss. In effect the ex SAS guy fired 1/3rd the ammo for the same end results.

He also somehow fired a 23rd shot without reloading. Or the show didnt show us of the SAS guy reloading. The GSG5 mag has only 22 rounds in it

He had to have reloaded, they just edited it out. Anyhow, nice try Briton, but Excalibur is right. I'm not nearly as infuriated as he but I agree the execution for this was all wrong and not all that fair. At least get an actual MP5, Top Gear did it and they were doing a Biathalon, not a combat shooting exercise.

With a single round in the chamber that bumps up the round count to 23 and just enough rounds to service every target once as there is a single melee target. I've chatted with a former SAS member and his responce was that it wasn't bad shooting. As I've seen the man shoot I'll take his word on it.

If you watch the vid again, he didn't chamber a round already into the GSG5. He loaded his only mag and rack the charging handle. He had 22 rounds. There are 23 targets to shoot.

He hacked.

He unlocked extended mags

Not at all surprised. It was pretty entertaining to watch, though.

I just loved how over the top the gamer was when his time is better than the SAS guy. And then we go back to the studio where he discusses with 2 other hosts about how "bad ass" he was.

That video really pisses me off, primarily that douche-nerd.

I don't see why they didn't have douche-nerd run the course himself. Even if he has no fire arms experience they could've have given him an airsoft gun or paintball marker.

And after he runs through the video game faster than the real life SAS soldier, he goes and rubs it in his face. That has got to be one of the most dis-rescpectful things I have ever seen. It's the same idea as going up to a WWII vet and telling him he sucks because you got way more kills in Call of Duty 2 than he did during the war.

I admit that I am a huge gamer, but I don't believe that all my hours in CoD mean I'm some kind of bad ass professional in real life. And I certianly wouldn't go up to a real soldier and boast about my game playing skills vs his hard earned real life skills.

Douche-nerd was very lucky that "Sid" was a well disciplined soldier. Otherwise he might have gotten his face punched in.

Sorry bout ranting... I just really hate people like douche-nerd there.

You pretty much summed up my feelings for the douche bag.

Seriously, I can boast I've went on shooting ranges and taken a couple lessons and had my Marine buddies work with me, but I wouldn't rub in their faces about how badass I am in COD4. I like to keep my head and not look like a 12 year old whose balls havent even dropped

Maybe they should have some real operators from different branches run the course as a competition, like sas vs seals vs delta vs Spetznaz or soemthing

That would be pretty cool.

And watching it one more time, Sid, the soldier shoots a lot of double tap, and seeing that he didn't reload on screen, they obviously staged it. They keep replaying footages of Jason in the game. It would have been better for them to show a non stop from beginning to end vid of how he ran the course in MW2. And seriously, he ran out of ammo before he got inside the building, that's just very noob of him.