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Mandolin1 05-04-2010 01:40 PM

Fictional firearms
 
Among the reqirements to create a page for a fictional weapon are these rules: If they are fictional weapons built upon a real firearm, and :If the weapon (for any reason) would lead the general public to believe that it is a real firearms or based on one.

Considering thaat, I think some of the pages should be deleted. Here's what I think should go:

http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/%28Ae..._Trooper_Rifle
It isn't based on a real weapon, and I don't see anyone thinking that it is real of based on a real gun. Besides, the page admits it's a CGI and plastic weapon

All the District 9 weapons, they don't have any real gun under the plastic shell and noone is going to mistake them for real guns.

The BFG9000 should stay, if only because it's cool.

http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/%28Fa...ing_Missile%22
Ok. so its looks kind of real, but it's just plastic, no base weapon

http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/%28Me...%22Red_Club%22
This thing can't be based of anything real, and looks more like a flare pistol or something.

Waht do you all think?

Excalibur 05-04-2010 02:59 PM

We also have a problem with people posting fictional weapons pages like Aliens Resurrection and someone wants to redo the Halo page

MoviePropMaster2008 05-04-2010 07:28 PM

I'm torn on that. The Gatling Gun Rifle from Aeon Flux walks the fine line. People 'could' think it is based on a real weapon and thus should be represented as something they could check on. Remember that the requirement that 'someone COULD think that it is based on a real weapon' is very flexible for people who don't have the same depth of knowledge as many of our experienced members.

What I don't like are fictional guns which are artwork. Guns from ANIME or Videogames can be anything. Seriously. The artist has free reign to do whatever they want .... create any idiotic hybrid that they want. The difference is that in movies and TV, someone had to BUILD the prop, so it's either real or based on a real gun or complete fantasy. But in Anime & VG, an artist just has to think it up and draw it. Whoopie Doo! Even if the weapon is based on a real gun, I don't think the general public would ever care, nor wonder if it was.

We're here to dispel myths, rumors and falsehoods. This started as the FILM weapon database and it was supposed to dispel urban myths about movie guns.

I'm for eliminating any fictional weapon listing that is not a 3 dimensional prop (that is except for items that are really famous and firmly embedded in the public mind, like the BFG). Thoughts?

AdAstra2009 05-04-2010 07:49 PM

I'm for getting rid of all fictional weapons period. But that's just me.

k9870 05-04-2010 08:07 PM

Im cool with fictional weapons based on a base gun, like "Vera" in firefly is a saiga 12 under all the cosmetics.

Excalibur 05-04-2010 08:13 PM

Apparently on the Halo discussion page, someone said that there is no rule on not posting fictional firearms.

Excalibur 05-05-2010 01:17 AM

No seriously, we have a lot of contradictions on this site. We have Ghost in the Shell where the first weapon on the page isn't a real gun, though it's "Based" on the P90 and now we got people wanting to make a Halo page again.

Then again Aliens Resurrection has a complete page despite none of the guns are real and based on flash blub tech. Where do we draw the line on guns that don't exist and making pages to satisfy our ego about a game, or movie we really like and really want the fictional guns from it on this site? Or people will start putting Mass Effect and Borderlands on this site.

MT2008 05-05-2010 02:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Excalibur (Post 13490)
No seriously, we have a lot of contradictions on this site. We have Ghost in the Shell where the first weapon on the page isn't a real gun, though it's "Based" on the P90 and now we got people wanting to make a Halo page again.

Dude, you're an Admin. If you see that kinda shit, you're free to delete it.

Excalibur 05-05-2010 03:25 AM

But the problem is that it's between the line of not a real gun, but also it does have a lot of basis on a real gun. But Then Aliens Resurrection is another problem to me. MPM restored the page, but honestly it's not even a well done page like Ghost in the Shell. It doesn't have caps for most of the guns or just one small one. It just seems very unimpressive.

I get that I can delete it, but if people makes snarky comments and then tries to point out that I am rude saying fanboys should go to hell, it kinda sets me back

MoviePropMaster2008 05-05-2010 06:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Excalibur (Post 13505)
But Then Aliens Resurrection is another problem to me. MPM restored the page, but honestly it's not even a well done page like Ghost in the Shell. It doesn't have caps for most of the guns or just one small one. It just seems very unimpressive.

The reason is TWO of the rules for Fictional Weapons:
"If they are fictional / hypothetical weapons which may exist in real life but (so far does not)."
"If the weapon (for any reason) would lead the general public to believe that it is a real firearms or based on one. "


Now I don't disagree that the Alien Resurrection page is weak, but there are many weaker pages which should be deleted before that one is. But why I think it needs to be on IMFDB is primarily, when the film came out, a LOT of people thought the weapons were based or built on real guns. That type of confusion is the reason WHY IMFDB exists, to dispel myth and rumor from fact. One person (in the business) mistakenly told me that the main rifle used in the film was built on a Cobray CM11 Carbine, which I actually believed because I could see how the 9mm long barreled M11 carbine could fit into the shell of the gun. So for a long time, I thought the main rifle was built on a Cobray gun. And I can't tell how many people (when the film came out) thought that the take down shotgun used by the guy in the wheelchair was a real firearm. So if not to correct movie trivia regarding firearms (on a REAL MOVIE, not some anime or videogame), then why have IMFDB at all? :)

Just my 2 cents. :)

I'm all for deleting the ANIME entries. Like WTF? Like anyone is going to wonder what gun a piece of artwork is based on? Same thing for VGs except for the BFG because it has appeared in actual films.


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