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bunni 02-02-2013 06:43 PM

Sunday LA Times spread on imfdb
 
The Sunday LA Times (2/3/13) ran a very positive article on imfdb as the cover story of the Calendar section. They even quoted Excalibur! :D

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment...,5347462.story

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By Rebecca Keegan, Los Angeles Times
February 2, 2013, 7:00 a.m.
This sturdy Austrian had supporting roles in the recent action movies "Skyfall" and "Zero Dark Thirty," the TV western "Justified" and the military video game "Medal of Honor: Warfighter."

The ubiquitous performer — actually a semiautomatic pistol — is the Glock-17. A kind of Kevin Bacon of firearms, the Glock-17 appears without ceremony in movies and TV shows year after year, largely because it's also popular with the law enforcement officers being depicted.

There is one place, however, where the Glock-17 is treated like a star – along with the dainty Walther PPK/S handgun that is James Bond's sidearm of choice, the long-barreled Winchester rifles the Prohibition agents tote on the 1920s-set HBO show "Boardwalk Empire" and the oversized Desert Eagle pistols used in the "Modern Warfare" and "Far Cry" series of video games. That's the Internet Movie Firearms Database, a surprisingly thorough, fan-built catalog of weapons used in movies, TV shows, video games and anime, maintained by a freelance Web developer in Glendora.

PHOTOS: Guns in Movies

Relying on the same wisdom-of-the-crowd model as Wikipedia, Christopher Serrano, 29, and a stable of about 300 regular volunteers have meticulously cataloged the weapons, along with screen shots, in more than 11,500 articles, including entries on underwater firearms, missile launchers and flame throwers. The site is laid out in a simple, schematic style, with pictures, quotes and trivia. But it's the searchable database — similar to the Amazon-owned Internet Movie Database (IMDB) — that has made IMFDB.org a resource for Hollywood prop masters, casual gun collectors and anyone looking to settle a bar bet about what kind of rifles Jamie Foxx is carrying in "Django Unchained" (a variant of a Sharps rifle and a Remington 1858 "Cattleman's Carbine").

Most visitors are drawn to the site after searching for information about the guns in a movie they just saw or a game they just played — lately "Skyfall" and the video game "Far Cry 3" are popular, according to Serrano.

Some stick around to discuss and debate the guns they see on screen — a user named Charon68, for instance, found James Bond carrying the small PPK anachronistic for a movie set in 2012, commenting, "As cool as the thing looks, the cartridge is woefully underpowered and would barely make a scratch with modern body armor." Another user, Excalibur01 also weighed in:"I really wish we'd see other Walthers. Nothing wrong with 'tradition' but how about the newer P99 or the PPQ or the PPS?"

Pop culture and guns have been linked since the beginnings of cinema — the groundbreaking, 1903 western short "The Great Train Robbery" features multiple revolvers and rifles, all of them cataloged on IMFDB — and through the years entertainers have relied on guns to help them tell all manner of stories, from westerns and gangster films to war dramas and police procedurals. In video games, guns even have their own genre, the first-person shooter.

And though recent shootings have reignited a cacophonous national debate about violence in entertainment, the events have made little impact on IMFDB's steady traffic of about 1.5 million visitors a month, about half of them from outside the U.S.

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"The firearms are a tool used in the telling of a story," Serrano said. "It's the modern version of a samurai sword. It's part of the art. I don't feel there's a glorification of firearms."

Serrano, a reserved computer wonk who studied political science at UC Santa Barbara, said he created IMFDB in 2007 out of fannish curiosity — he was looking for information about the variety of futuristic-looking weapons in "The Matrix" movies online and couldn't find much. A gun owner himself, he said he spends three to four hours a day working on the website and is planning a redesign this year to make it easier for users to add content. The site has a modest amount of advertising — on a recent day it had ads for a gun-advocacy group, a company that makes military patches and a snorkeling trip to Catalina.

Over the years Serrano's creation has acquired a professional audience among the small group of Hollywood prop masters — or "armorers" — who supply firearms to film sets. Gregg Bilson Jr., chief executive of Independent Studio Services, the Hollywood prop house that provided the vintage guns used in "Django Unchained" and "Lincoln," met with Serrano last month at Shot Show, a firearms trade convention attended by more than 62,000 people in Las Vegas.

"I was a bit of a skeptic at first, but I was surprised to find out how accurate this site is," Bilson said. "There is a gun culture, a group of gearheads you could say, who are very interested in this kind of stuff."

Bilson learned of the site from one of his company's armorers, Larry Zanoff, who discovered it while doing research for a movie. Now Zanoff occasionally weighs in on the site via one of its regular contributors to correct or clarify information about films he's worked on.

For IMFBD's movie-industry audience, the appeal of the site is not only the database of information it contains but the attention it brings to their otherwise mostly anonymous work.

"The prop department, which is what handles the weapons, is an integral part of any film, but we don't get much attention," said Zanoff. "This website seems to be a good outlet for that, since we're not gonna get an Academy Award anytime soon."

PHOTOS: Guns in Movies

Some of the site's users are more casual gun aficionados, such as Patrick Byrne Foster, 21, who co-owns West Coast Corvair in Gardena. "I'm one of those people who likes mechanical things," Foster said. "I'm interested in older guns, the history behind them, the design behind them. And I do find it cool when a gun I've used is in a movie. Especially if it's a period piece, it's interesting to see if they use the gun right."

A favorite scene of Foster's is in the 2008 movie "Gran Torino," when Clint Eastwood's character, Walt Kowalski, wields his Korean War rifle — an M1 Garand of a type Foster also owns — against a neighborhood gang. In another scene, a Hmong boy whom Walt has befriended picks up the gun.

"It's interesting to see Clint break up a fight with a service arm he used in a war," Foster said. "Now there's a war in his own home, and the gun's in completely different hands for completely different reasons. That gun is a story on its own."

Other regular visitors use guns in their professions, like Robert Daniels, 47, a security guard at a casino in Las Vegas who works part time at a gun store and occasionally contributes to the site's write-ups. When it comes to entertainment, for Daniels, guns are a vital part of many of the stories he wants to see.

"From a guy standpoint, I don't really want to go see a hearts-and-flowers movie," Daniels said. "I want to go see an action movie. Would somebody really want to go see a 'Bourne' movie and not see Jeremy Renner or Matt Damon using a firearm? To see a 'Rambo' movie without him using a gun?"

Daniels said he takes umbrage when Hollywood actors decry guns on the one hand — as many did in a recent public service announcement for the group Mayors Against Illegal Guns — while continuing to use them for TV and movie roles.

"You get some of these actors, 'Oh, you shouldn't use guns, blah blah blah,' and they've got 20 movies where they've used firearms," Daniels said. "It's hypocritical. You can't talk about firearms and not talk about politics, but they're going about it the wrong way. People try to demonize the guns. How can an inanimate object be good or evil?"

rebecca.keegan@latimes.com

MoviePropMaster2008 02-02-2013 07:10 PM

Awesome!

And coming from a very ANTI GUN newspaper to boot! Well done. :D Just goes to show that Bunni can convert anyone :D

Ben41 02-02-2013 08:05 PM

Very nice article. I see that even the discussions got mentioned.

bunni 02-02-2013 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by MoviePropMaster2008 (Post 37832)
Awesome!

And coming from a very ANTI GUN newspaper to boot! Well done. :D Just goes to show that Bunni can convert anyone :D

Thanks for the kinds words (:

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Originally Posted by Ben41
Very nice article. I see that even the discussions got mentioned.

Yea, I tried to emphasize the community aspect of it as well as the site being a tool for the industry. I didn't give them the names of any armourers (even the ones open about their identities on the site) but they seem to have found some of our biggest fans in the industry on their own anyways, that was great to see.

MoviePropMaster2008 02-02-2013 09:00 PM

Well, Bunni did something that changed the world. That is an accomplishment. Kudos to him. :D I can't stress how rare it is for one man to do something that affects people all over the planet in a positive way. Bunni did that.

I'm just glad to be one of the early contributors. :D But all praise must begin and start with our fearless leader :D

funkychinaman 02-02-2013 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by MoviePropMaster2008 (Post 37840)
Well, Bunni did something that changed the world. That is an accomplishment. Kudos to him. :D I can't stress how rare it is for one man to do something that affects people all over the planet in a positive way. Bunni did that.

I'm just glad to be one of the early contributors. :D But all praise must begin and start with our fearless leader :D

Hear hear.

Excalibur 02-03-2013 01:58 AM

Wow, of all the people's conversation to be mentioned in the article, my comment in Skyfall was one of them

Yournamehere 02-03-2013 07:58 AM

It's easy to understand why they picked it. Skyfall is part of one of the longest standing and most lucrative franchises in the film industry, it's a recent film, and Bond's PPK is one of the most ubiquitous movie guns. If you hadn't used proper grammar in that instance, it may have been overlooked, or worse, put in as an attempt to make gun enthusiasts seem less intelligent. Glad that wasn't the case.

It's really great to see liberal papers being objective about guns though, it really instills hope in the fight for the 2nd Amendment, and in the ever divided political system. I read another LA Times article not too long ago written right after the AWB sunsetted slamming it, so I give them credit for that as well. You can't help but feel even more sorry for California gun owners knowing that their media are on their side, and things still suck there.

Excalibur 02-03-2013 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Yournamehere (Post 37852)
If you hadn't used proper grammar in that instance, it may have been overlooked, or worse, put in as an attempt to make gun enthusiasts seem less intelligent. Glad that wasn't the case.

I know. Maybe I should have used some lower cases and a couple of run on sentences, too and threw in a bunch of suck it as well. I don't think I made my point clear enough in that comment. A couple misplaced commas and exclamation marks would be nicer.

MoviePropMaster2008 02-03-2013 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Yournamehere (Post 37852)

It's really great to see liberal papers being objective about guns though, it really instills hope in the fight for the 2nd Amendment, and in the ever divided political system. I read another LA Times article not too long ago written right after the AWB sunsetted slamming it, so I give them credit for that as well. You can't help but feel even more sorry for California gun owners knowing that their media are on their side, and things still suck there.

That is definitely NOT THE CASE. Our media is 98% against us. Any balanced article by a California Media Outlet is a rarity. Sorry. I can tell you're not in CA, but don't fall for the trap that our media is in any way fair. But there are worse media outlets in other states, that is sure.

Yournamehere 02-04-2013 12:21 AM

Fair enough, but media fairness/bias is as abundant in coverage as those who are covering the story allow it to be, and they're at least illustrating that they can be fair in some respect. It may be part of the "2 percent", but it's something, and it's part of a really significant paper in a really anti gun state at that. Credit where credit is due for the LA Times, even if it's brief.

Sergei Titov 02-04-2013 12:29 AM

300 editors doesn't sound like errbody. :p

zackmann08 02-04-2013 12:34 AM

The thing that everyone is missing here is that this isn't a pro-gun/anti-gun Democrat/Republican article. Chris worked very hard to make sure that Rebecca understood that the site is about PROPS. We DO NOT have an agenda when it comes to the gun debate. Obviously our users have their own opinions but the site is a PROP database.

bunni 02-04-2013 12:45 AM

Thanks Zack, I think that's the right sentiment. I wanted to make sure we were viewed from an entertainment angle, we cover a very specific aspect of film and The Industry.

Anyways, here's the spread for those of you not in LA (almost everyone :p)

http://www.imfdb.org/images/5/54/LATimesCoverCrop.jpg

Excalibur 02-04-2013 03:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Sergei Titov (Post 37860)
300 editors doesn't sound like errbody. :p

300 editors does sound like everybody...that matters :p

funkychinaman 02-04-2013 04:40 AM

211 users who have made edits within the past thirty days.

Excalibur 02-04-2013 05:11 AM

Does this mean our site has to look more "professional" because we're getting more media coverage?

I wish after so many years, our site would be teaming up with more prop gun guys telling us directly what guns is really in what movie.

bunni 02-04-2013 05:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Excalibur (Post 37869)
Does this mean our site has to look more "professional" because we're getting more media coverage?

I wish after so many years, our site would be teaming up with more prop gun guys telling us directly what guns is really in what movie.

The guys that spoke so well of us in that article are the biggest in the business, I fully expect a lot more direct cooperation moving forward.

Jcordell 02-05-2013 02:18 AM

Wow. Guess this means we're going to see our traffic increase dramatically. Good for imfdb though. Way to go bunni.

Rockwolf66 02-05-2013 08:21 AM

I guess that this means I have to clean up the Army of Two page that i made and get someone who can pull screencaps out of an X-box 360 andwho's willing to spend the time to buy all the weapons and Upgrades to replace the Images i made with a camera on a tripod in front of a TV screen.


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