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Lord M 11-05-2010 07:34 PM

Aliens M41A
 
Now i appreciate that the M41A pulse rifle is fictional. But i was wondering how it got the moniker of Pulse RIFLE, when it fires the 10x24mm round, which would technically make it a sub machine gun, since the 10x24 is a pistol cartridge.
Help?

BurtReynoldsMoustache 11-05-2010 07:38 PM

Somebody didn't do their research and went with a name that sounds cool, it's that simple. Doesn't matter anyway because it's a science fiction action movie. Try not to lose any sleep over it.

ShootingJames 11-05-2010 07:45 PM

It fires fictional ammo that is supposed to be a caseless rifle cartridge with a 10mm projectile.

Rifles firing pistol cartridges is nothing new though, been around since the 1800's.

Lord M 11-05-2010 07:53 PM

I take it you mean the HK 33/53 series

k9870 11-05-2010 09:25 PM

maybe it is 10mm rifle ammo thats beastly. You cant assume they used just existing ammo types.

MT2008 11-05-2010 10:13 PM

In the (semi) canonical "Aliens" novels, it was explained that the 10mm pulse rifle cartridges are longer, lighter, and higher-velocity than the 10mm pistol rounds fired by the Colonial Marines' sidearms, even though the projectile widths are the same. One of the books - I can't remember which - specifically said that the 10mm pulse rifle and pistol ammo were not interchangeable.

BurtReynoldsMoustache 11-06-2010 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Lord M (Post 21734)
I take it you mean the HK 33/53 series

Spam? :confused:

Excalibur 11-06-2010 03:13 AM

Yeah, maybe it is spam. Who knows. Or maybe this guys doesn't know what an HK33/53 is

Swordfish941 11-06-2010 03:38 AM

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Originally Posted by BurtReynoldsMoustache (Post 21761)
Spam? :confused:

That's not Spam, this is Spam:

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Nyles 11-06-2010 03:45 AM

Don't forget, definitions change. In the 1870s .45 / 11mm black powder rifle cartridges like the .45-70 or .450 Martini-Henry were considered the new small caliber, high velocity wonder rounds.

Excalibur 11-06-2010 04:36 AM

Well the fact that most people don't actually say 9x19mm. They say 9mm, or a 10mm cause it's easy and it's automatically a handgun round because of the context. It's the same with rifle caliber where we say 5.56mm. I mean if you are going with numbers just comparing the first number of course the number 5 is smaller than 10. A lot of time, people forget about the second number that comes after the X.

In Aliens, they don't call it just a machine gun or even a smg. They called it a "rifle" so we could assume it's rifle caliber and 10mm is big, but since it's caseless, it shouldn't be a problem. Not to mention the 20mm pump action grenade launcher with grenades that can deliver a hell of a bang

ShootingJames 11-06-2010 04:55 AM

I was actually referring to rifles that fired pistol cartridges. Lever actions and carbines. It's not like it's never happened before.

BurtReynoldsMoustache 11-06-2010 05:59 AM

Cartridges really shouldn't even be referred to as "n.nn mm x nn mm". Most have some sort of designation. The 7.62x39mm should actually be referred to as the "7.62mm M43".

Excalibur 11-06-2010 02:49 PM

I've never heard anyone refer to the Russia round by that designation outside a tech book. Everyone I've come across always say the full number.


And I just realize that the title of this thread. It's not M41A, it's M41A1.

Spades of Columbia 11-06-2010 09:05 PM

[quote=Excalibur;21780]I've never heard anyone refer to the Russia round by that designation outside a tech book. Everyone I've come across always say the full number.


Im going to have to agree with the above quote. I have always seen it written in full number. For example there are alot of 9mm out their...so is it 9x18 or 9x19 or could it be a 9x23. So you kind of need all the information.

BurtReynoldsMoustache 11-07-2010 02:16 AM

[quote=Spades of Columbia;21788]
Quote:

Originally Posted by Excalibur (Post 21780)
I've never heard anyone refer to the Russia round by that designation outside a tech book. Everyone I've come across always say the full number.


Im going to have to agree with the above quote. I have always seen it written in full number. For example there are alot of 9mm out their...so is it 9x18 or 9x19 or could it be a 9x23. So you kind of need all the information.

Aren't there multiple cartridges that are 9x23? Bergmann-Bayard, Largo, IMI?

Excalibur 11-07-2010 03:37 AM

Sure, but the most common 9mm round is the 9x19.

BurtReynoldsMoustache 11-07-2010 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Excalibur (Post 21807)
Sure, but the most common 9mm round is the 9x19.

Welly yeah but my point was even when you say "9 x n mm" instead of just "9mm" it's still not specific enough.

Excalibur 11-07-2010 04:39 PM

You don't need to be specific unless you have to be. If I go to a gun store and ask for a 9mm handgun, the clerk would point to almost every single gun under the counter. There just aren't a lot of guns in common use that fires other 9mm type rounds


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