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sillybunz13 11-04-2010 07:19 PM

Handguns Grips & Trigger Discipline In Hollywood
 
I mean I know it's just a movie. Yeah, we get it, but it's gets to a point where it's just downright sad.

For example:

Jack Bauer in "24" has a backround that contains that he entered U.S. Army and eventually joined Delta Force; among the decorations accumulated during his service are the Silver Star, the Purple Heart, and the Legion of Merit. He received Airborne, Air Assault, Ranger, and Special Forces training.

BUT he can't hold a damn handgun right? He's got to use a "cup and saucer" grip for like 7 seasons. Also he has awful trigger discipline. Years of military training and forgets all of it too. WOW!

The same with "Burn Notice" with the almost the same backround as Jack Bauer but "cup and saucer" grips is all the he can give, but he shows good trigger discipline sometimes.

Last but not least, The Hurt Locker. This film is inaccurate, repulsive, and just plain retarded. I'm not even going to get into to the fact that it was embarrasing for the U.S. Army to be portrayed as dumbasses in this film. How it got an oscar, only god knows. But the fact Jeremy Renner as Sergeant First Class William James "cup and saucers' his Beretta makes me puke even then the whole film itself. This film is a disgrace to the United States Army.

I think Greez Zone is one of the few with excellent trigger discipline and good form and grip on any weapon by any person in the film who was a soldier. The only that was iffy was him killed a Green Beret and getting away with it LOL. I don't know how but whatever.

k9870 11-04-2010 08:08 PM

Burn notice he has his finger on the trigger with hammer back, hurt locker may make sense, as many army units have only done familiarisation with the beretta, no extensive training. I see CG shooter cup and saucering the SIG. As long as they meet there qualifications each year nobody cares.

MT2008 11-04-2010 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by sillybunz13 (Post 21637)
But the fact Jeremy Renner as Sergeant First Class William James "cup and saucers' his Beretta makes me puke even then the whole film itself. This film is a disgrace to the United States Army.

It's a disgrace to the U.S. Army because Jeremy Renner holds a Beretta with cup-and-saucer grip? LOL. Personally, I thought "Green Zone" was far more disgraceful to the U.S. Army than "The Hurt Locker" could ever have been.

We've already had a gazillion topics about this same subject, and personally, I think that the complaints about actors' gun handling are getting kind of played out. Yes, many actors hold firearms in inappropriate ways that one would expect their character to know are wrong. If that really bothers you so much, don't watch movies or TV.

k9870 11-04-2010 08:22 PM

It just makes it cooler when a actor uses a good grip. Its almost expected to see bad gun handling, when you see it done real well you just think "now that actor is cool"

BurtReynoldsMoustache 11-04-2010 08:24 PM

Not once has being able to tell that actors are just miming driving motions in cars that are being towed ruined my enjoyment of a film or television show.

predator20 11-04-2010 08:55 PM

sillybunz13,

Wow you really hate the cup and saucer. While it doesn't give very much support to the strong hand, it does allow a steadier aim compared to one hand shooting. (not that it even matters in movies) But it is kind of dangerous. What's the only thing between your hand and several rounds of ammo. A thin piece of metal or plastic base pad.

If bad movie gun handling really bothers you, be prepared to deal with it for the rest of life. Just because an actor or actress shoots a gun on film doesn't mean they like it. Same thing applies to one who's playing a rapist or serial killer. Even though those are very different things I hope you get what I mean.

My only pet peeve with guns and movies is magazine capacity. I could give a shit about grip or stance. But it is nice when they do it properly.

Excalibur 11-04-2010 11:38 PM

I seriously don't care about the cup and saucer grip anymore. If I see it, I'll notice it, but it's not going to "ruin" a movie for me. The Hurt Locker was a great movie. So what if the man didn't hold the gun right. Army guys gets very little handgun training to begin with.

AdAstra2009 11-05-2010 12:08 AM

What's wrong with the "Cup and Saucer Grip" it is an official US Army approved grip...

http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita.../chap2.htm#2-1

k9870 11-05-2010 12:17 AM

It is a bad grip for "experts" to use.

Excalibur 11-05-2010 01:47 AM

Not "for experts" like it's the grip special forces use. It's a proper grip, meaning that you have equal pressure on the gun from the left and the right so the gun won't recoil to either side when fired. Add that with a proper high tang grip and the recoil will go straight back towards you inside of so much to the left, right or straight up.

Also there is a thing called "outdated" grips. Like for revolver style. For a time, in law enforcement in a lot of departments, they train you to aim the gun with one hand and with your reaction hand, you have a nice firm grip on your wrist for support. Then there's grips where you have you reaction hand's index finger wrap the front of the trigger guard. Those used to be established grips for training before one discovered that there can be an extra step that can go wrong.


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