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MoviePropMaster2008 12-16-2016 09:01 PM

New article about Hollywood and Guns and we're mentioned
 
http://features.hollywoodreporter.co...ith-hollywood/

The problem here is how Hollywood is ANTI GUN and yet uses guns all the time. Also the backdrop to this is the SLEW of gun control laws that California has passed .... many of them making life even MORE difficult for Armorers in California :mad:

Anyway, IMFDB is mentioned :)

funkychinaman 12-16-2016 10:16 PM

That part about Mark Wahlberg and Danny Trejo not being able to use real guns due to being felons can't be true, can it? Both have extensive pages here, and they all can't be fake or non-guns.

commando552 12-17-2016 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by funkychinaman (Post 43177)
That part about Mark Wahlberg and Danny Trejo not being able to use real guns due to being felons can't be true, can it? Both have extensive pages here, and they all can't be fake or non-guns.

I may be wrong as I am just repeating what I have heard rather than actually knowing it, but supposedly Mark Wahlberg is not technically a felon as his prison sentence was not long enough to class him as one by Massachusetts law.

Spartan198 12-17-2016 03:43 AM

It's funny how they imply the danger of firing blank-adapted guns at too close a range comes from casings being ejected. :rolleyes:

Excalibur 12-19-2016 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Spartan198 (Post 43181)
It's funny how they imply the danger of firing blank-adapted guns at too close a range comes from casings being ejected. :rolleyes:

They did mention Brandon Lee's death



Wahlberg has shot real guns during training for Lone Survivor. The Behind the Scenes pretty much show us all the guns he's trained with.

Spartan198 12-19-2016 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Excalibur (Post 43183)
They did mention Brandon Lee's death

Good for them. Still, though, any danger posed by the ejection of casings is minimal at most.

MT2008 12-22-2016 11:12 PM

Interesting read, though clearly filled with errors that one would expect from an author who knows nothing about firearms (the 1911 was NOT originally a Taurus pistol; they're just one of many makers).

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Originally Posted by funkychinaman (Post 43177)
That part about Mark Wahlberg and Danny Trejo not being able to use real guns due to being felons can't be true, can it? Both have extensive pages here, and they all can't be fake or non-guns.

Definitely not (i.e. "Heat", "Replacement Killers" for Danny Trejo), though I am not sure what exemptions exist. Hopefully, someone who has AEAA membership can comment on this.

Excalibur 12-23-2016 03:26 PM

Maybe it's the fact that they are "movie stars" and no one has asked made them the exception.

Jcordell 12-23-2016 04:19 PM

Well there were some mistakes, but the big thing is that IMFDB got some great press.

MT2008 12-23-2016 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Excalibur (Post 43200)
Maybe it's the fact that they are "movie stars" and no one has asked made them the exception.

For CYA reasons, I cannot imagine that any armory would want to take the chance that they can get away with it: They are assuming nobody in BATFE watches movies and/or reads IMDB and can figure out that said actors are convicted felons. (This is especially likely to be problematic for movies which cast rap stars and/or feature real gang members playing themselves - i.e. "Training Day.")

I would think this issue has been discussed with and decided by BATFE by now, and a work-around was found.

SPEMack618 12-23-2016 09:40 PM

Bad press, or rather in this case, a bit misinformed press is still good press.

commando552 12-23-2016 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Spartan198 (Post 43185)
Good for them. Still, though, any danger posed by the ejection of casings is minimal at most.

There is still a danger though, or maybe it is just more of an inconvenience. If you ever watch BTS footage of gunfights being filmed (the gunfight from Heat springs to mind) you will quite often see the cameramen wearing face shields for this exact reason, or even having big Lexan shields built around the camers or held by extra crew members.

In the TV series Stargate SG1 the main weapon they used was originally MP5s, but they switched to P90s. Although I doubt that it was the inciting reason (more likely aesthetics and "cool" factor) if you watch/listen to the behind the scenes stuff or commentaries the producers and actors say that the fact that the P90 ejects downwards was a massive bonus. In fact, there were scenes that they were only able to shoot in a particular way because of this aspect of the weapon (e.g. several characters firing there guns in a narrow hallway in both directions).

MoviePropMaster2008 12-24-2016 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by MT2008 (Post 43204)
For CYA reasons, I cannot imagine that any armory would want to take the chance that they can get away with it: They are assuming nobody in BATFE watches movies and/or reads IMDB and can figure out that said actors are convicted felons. (This is especially likely to be problematic for movies which cast rap stars and/or feature real gang members playing themselves - i.e. "Training Day.")

I would think this issue has been discussed with and decided by BATFE by now, and a work-around was found.

Usually no armorer will hand a live gun to a felon. Those guys should have their felonies expunged or pardoned. But there are times when production companies actually 'break the law' Doh!

When Ironman was being filmed, there is a deleted scene where Tony Stark picked up an Air Force M4 and fires it over the hood of a Humvee at his attackers (and eventual kidnappers). The production wanted Robert Downey Jr. to handle the live gun, but the armorer (correctly) refused, being that Downey had not has his inability to handle a gun dismissed (on paper) yet. So the scene where he's firing, he's holding an airsoft gun.

Downey's felony convictions were in 1999 and he wasn't pardoned until December 24th, 2015. So technically any film he did between 1999 and 2015, the productions violated federal law if they handed him a live gun. Oops! But Hollywood productions are notoriously unconcerned with firearms laws. They just expect armorers to break the law, being that Hollywood bigwigs rarely if ever fights against gun control laws in California that actually HURT the film industry.

funkychinaman 12-24-2016 12:33 PM

Well, Wahlberg definitely hasn't been pardoned yet, given the recent publicity regarding his pursuit of one. This makes the Lone Survivor deal really odd, paying money to show off certain firearms in the hands of someone who shouldn't be handling guns.

Spartan198 12-24-2016 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by commando552 (Post 43207)
There is still a danger though, or maybe it is just more of an inconvenience. If you ever watch BTS footage of gunfights being filmed (the gunfight from Heat springs to mind) you will quite often see the cameramen wearing face shields for this exact reason, or even having big Lexan shields built around the camers or held by extra crew members.

In the TV series Stargate SG1 the main weapon they used was originally MP5s, but they switched to P90s. Although I doubt that it was the inciting reason (more likely aesthetics and "cool" factor) if you watch/listen to the behind the scenes stuff or commentaries the producers and actors say that the fact that the P90 ejects downwards was a massive bonus. In fact, there were scenes that they were only able to shoot in a particular way because of this aspect of the weapon (e.g. several characters firing there guns in a narrow hallway in both directions).

I'm not saying there's no danger, but to my knowledge no one has ever died because an empty casing bounced off their face.

commando552 12-25-2016 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by funkychinaman (Post 43210)
Well, Wahlberg definitely hasn't been pardoned yet, given the recent publicity regarding his pursuit of one. This makes the Lone Survivor deal really odd, paying money to show off certain firearms in the hands of someone who shouldn't be handling guns.

From what I have read he isn't actually a felon due to the fact that the crime was committed in Massachusetts and his sentence wasn't long enough for that state to class him as a "felon".

commando552 12-25-2016 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Spartan198 (Post 43211)
I'm not saying there's no danger, but to my knowledge no one has ever died because an empty casing bounced off their face.

Sure, nobody is ever going to die from an ejected case, but it would still be dangerous if you got hit in the eye by one and could cause some nasty damage. I think it is more of a convenience thing though, it is a lot harder for a cameraman to get a the proper shot if he has his eyes closed because he has brass flaying at his face.

Excalibur 12-27-2016 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by MoviePropMaster2008 (Post 43209)

Downey's felony convictions were in 1999 and he wasn't pardoned until December 24th, 2015. So technically any film he did between 1999 and 2015, the productions violated federal law if they handed him a live gun. Oops! .


So....

Kiss Kiss Bang Bang

Zodiac

Tropic Thunder "Lead Farmer" scene should be a highlight

Sherlock Holmes

Sherlock Holmes: A Game Of Shadows

and

Iron Man 3 though he was holding a Mac-10 Non gun at one point

Wow, if those were real guns, how many violations is that for RDJ?

Spartan198 12-28-2016 07:28 AM

I though guns that were permanently adapted for blanks weren't legally considered real firearms? I've seen numerous ads in gun magazines advertising blank guns for sale making that claim.

MoviePropMaster2008 12-28-2016 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Spartan198 (Post 43219)
I though guns that were permanently adapted for blanks weren't legally considered real firearms? I've seen numerous ads in gun magazines advertising blank guns for sale making that claim.

Those blank fire guns you see for sale are guns designed from the ground up as non guns (they're called BFONG) Blank Fire Only Non Gun. It takes a good bit of clever engineering (like having the rounds load in backwards and the front flash is the back flash from a round firing in the wrong direction) in order for ATF to NOT consider those to be guns. Those are NOT usually used in movies. The vast majority of what we use are blank adapted LIVE guns. They're more reliable, they put out the big fireball in front, and they're better made and don't use overly soft metals in their constructions.

MoviePropMaster2008 12-28-2016 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Excalibur (Post 43216)
So....

Kiss Kiss Bang Bang

Zodiac

Tropic Thunder "Lead Farmer" scene should be a highlight

Sherlock Holmes

Sherlock Holmes: A Game Of Shadows

and

Iron Man 3 though he was holding a Mac-10 Non gun at one point

Wow, if those were real guns, how many violations is that for RDJ?


Pretty damning isn't it? ;)

BTW< it was Papac himself who told me that he woudn't allow a violation of federal law on his set for IM1. :D

MT2008 12-30-2016 03:09 AM

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Originally Posted by MoviePropMaster2008 (Post 43209)
Usually no armorer will hand a live gun to a felon. Those guys should have their felonies expunged or pardoned. But there are times when production companies actually 'break the law' Doh!

When Ironman was being filmed, there is a deleted scene where Tony Stark picked up an Air Force M4 and fires it over the hood of a Humvee at his attackers (and eventual kidnappers). The production wanted Robert Downey Jr. to handle the live gun, but the armorer (correctly) refused, being that Downey had not has his inability to handle a gun dismissed (on paper) yet. So the scene where he's firing, he's holding an airsoft gun.

Downey's felony convictions were in 1999 and he wasn't pardoned until December 24th, 2015. So technically any film he did between 1999 and 2015, the productions violated federal law if they handed him a live gun. Oops! But Hollywood productions are notoriously unconcerned with firearms laws. They just expect armorers to break the law, being that Hollywood bigwigs rarely if ever fights against gun control laws in California that actually HURT the film industry.

Wow. That surprises me.

For the record, some of his movies where he handles guns were not filmed in the U.S. But quite a few were.

MT2008 12-30-2016 03:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Spartan198 (Post 43219)
I though guns that were permanently adapted for blanks weren't legally considered real firearms? I've seen numerous ads in gun magazines advertising blank guns for sale making that claim.

Concur with what MPM said: May be true for theatrical replicas, but sure not for a blank-adapted live firearm.

Also, try buying a deactivated or blank-adapted screen-used prop gun from PropStore (if you can afford it, since the screen-used/"hero" value adds serious $$$$$ to the price). Assuming it resides in their U.S. location, they will have to ship it to your FFL to complete the sale, because once it's a firearm, it's always a firearm.

S&Wshooter 01-01-2017 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by MoviePropMaster2008 (Post 43209)
Usually no armorer will hand a live gun to a felon. Those guys should have their felonies expunged or pardoned. But there are times when production companies actually 'break the law' Doh!

When Ironman was being filmed, there is a deleted scene where Tony Stark picked up an Air Force M4 and fires it over the hood of a Humvee at his attackers (and eventual kidnappers). The production wanted Robert Downey Jr. to handle the live gun, but the armorer (correctly) refused, being that Downey had not has his inability to handle a gun dismissed (on paper) yet. So the scene where he's firing, he's holding an airsoft gun.

Downey's felony convictions were in 1999 and he wasn't pardoned until December 24th, 2015. So technically any film he did between 1999 and 2015, the productions violated federal law if they handed him a live gun. Oops! But Hollywood productions are notoriously unconcerned with firearms laws. They just expect armorers to break the law, being that Hollywood bigwigs rarely if ever fights against gun control laws in California that actually HURT the film industry.

I was thinking about this a while back, specifically in regards to Danny Trejo since he's in a ton of movies in which he handles guns but is a felon


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