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2wingo 05-20-2013 08:35 AM

Improved 9x18mm Makarov ammo
 
I read somewhere that the newer 9x18 Makarov cartridge designed for use in the PMM is equal, perhaps even superior to, the stopping power of the 9mm Luger. Is there any truth to this?

funkychinaman 05-20-2013 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by 2wingo (Post 39088)
I read somewhere that the newer 9x18 Makarov cartridge designed for use in the PMM is equal, perhaps even superior to, the stopping power of the 9mm Luger. Is there any truth to this?

The original 9x18 Makarov round was supposed to be the most powerful round straight blowback could handle.

commando552 05-20-2013 07:30 PM

There will be some loadings of the 9x19mm that are less powerful than the 9x18mm PMM, but generally no, the 9x19mm more powerful than the 9x18mm PMM. Although the case capacities of the two cartridges are similar (Parabellum is very slightly larger) the overall length of the Makarov is significantly less, meaning that if you want the same weight bullet it needs to be set back into the case farther and hence less capacity for powder. The more powerful 57-N-181SM round designed for the PMM is still constrained by this so is still weaker than a typical 9x19mm.

The 9x18mm is more comparable to the .380 ACP. In fact i think there are +P loadings of the .380 ACP that are more powerful than the 9x18mm PMM loadings, so there is no way it beats a 9x19mm. If you have read otherwise, I think you may be getting confused with the special Russian overpressure 9x19mm Parabellum loadings that are used in certain weapons like the Grach and GSh-18 pistols, and the PP-90M1 and PP-2000 SMGs.

Also, I think this special PMM loading was kind of a failure. Not only did you have the normal problems of introducing a new cartridge, but you had the additional risk of it being able to be chambered in older weapons, which would (and did) blow up whan used with it. The Makarov is a simple blowback design, so for the PMM what they did was to put spiral grooves on the inside of the chamber, which in effect acted like rifling on the expanding case and slowed its extraction. Due to the 57-N-181SM cartridge never being widely adopted, I think most PMMs were modified back to a standard PM style barrel without the grooves.

Mazryonh 05-24-2013 05:27 AM

Why would the Russians waste their time making +P+ loadings of the 9x18mm cartridge, when they've already developed armour-piercing overpressure variants of the 9x19mm cartridge? Is it to give their non-SWAT-type police units more of a credible pistol round with a greater effective range using older 9x18mm weaponry? I don't recall Russian forces being big on 9x18mm SMGs either.


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