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"Hanna" story discussion continuation
At the request of the admins, my armory discussion on the Talk Page of "Hanna" will be conducted here, henceforth.
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Update 2.51
Here is my current list:
Assault Rifle: Heckler & Koch G36C (with factory vertical foregrip). Shotgun: 12-gauge Remington 870 "Witness Protection." Handgun: 2 Gen4 Glock 26s (kept in underarm tactical holsters; uses 12-round magazines). Submachine Gun: 9mm IMI Mini-Uzi. Sniper Rifle: Thompson Center Arms Encore Rifle (.30-06 Springfield chambering; screws and pivot pin modified to allow the rifle to be assembled and disassembled without tools; end of barrel threaded to accept custom-made suppressor). Backup Gun: Walther PPS (.40 S&W chambering). I know most of you suggested that the sniper rifle use the readily-available .308 Winchester, but frankly, the amount of drop it has at long range seemed a bit much compared to the .30-06, which is also very common worldwide with a flatter trajectory and less recoil. It has also been suggested that the .40 S&W PPS is too powerful for someone as small as Hanna, to which I reply: Dude, did you even SEE the movie? A 16-year-old girl who is strong enough to drag a 300 lb. caribou carcass roughly a mile without getting visibly winded can probably handle the slightly greater recoil. Besides, isn't a backup gun supposed to be a heavier caliber than your standard gun? You'd only draw it when your others failed, so you'd want something that could cause a little more damage. |
Here's the talk page, to get everyone caught up on the discussion.
You mentioned her targets would be armoured, so maybe an FN Five-seveN and P90? High capacity, armour piercing, and manageable recoil. 7.62x25 Tokarev is supposed to be a good penetrator as well. CZ52 and... PP-19 Bizon? Not as 'modern' as the FNs. As for the sniper rifle, yes it's light and concealable, but only a single shot? There has to be some take down bolt action that's nearly as light. I can't think of any (that aren't .22s) though... |
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The Winchester Model 70 Extreme Weather SS might be better. It's light, reliable under harsh conditions, and could easily be carried away with a collapsable bipod and carry sling. Side note: I was orginally planning for this story to be a crossover with "Kick-Ass," but the more I thought about it, the more I wanted it to be about Hanna alone. |
Couple of quick questions...
Why have sub-compact 9mm guns as primary and then a bigger gun in .40 S&W for a back up? Not to be a Glock fan boy, but maybe Glock 19s primary and the 26s as back up pieces? |
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I originally thought that the Glock 19 was too big and would look awkward in her hands, but I've taken some measurements and realized that, assuming everything is in proportion, I was wrong. Using Glock 19s instead of 26s is good, but I don't want her primary and backup piece to come from the same manufacturer. It would just bug the hell out of me, don't know why. I think I'll give her the FN Five-seveN as her backup gun. |
In real life, the back up gun would generally be the same caliber or smaller than your primary. It would also not be a full size pistol like the Five-seveN. The reason for this is that it is your secondary, so carrying something that is relatively large and heavy will be a wast most of the time (particularly as she is already carrying two other pistols). A backup should also be concealable so that it will not be visible if your primary pistols are taken. It is generally a good idea for the backup to share ammunition with your primary so that you can interchange between the two. If you are going for a 9x19mm primary, the obvious choice would be a Glock 26, but if you don't like this how about something like a Kel-Tec PF-9 or Beretta Px4 Storm Sub-Compact.
If you wan't something that you can draw and absolutely kill the one guy that is in front of you, you could think of a Bond Arms derringer with one of the bigger chamberings like .357 Mag, or .410 shotshell/.45 Long Colt. As for the sniper, how about the DRD Tactical Paratus? It is fully takedown and goes in a 16"x10" briefcase, is semi auto from a 20 round magazine and uses commonly available .308 ammunition. |
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Wow, a more perfect sniper rifle for Hanna's needs really could not exist (at least not until they figure out a way to make the .408 CheyTac M-200 Intervention fit into a briefcase). |
Update 3
Assault Rifle: Heckler & Koch G36C (with factory vertical foregrip).
Shotgun: 12-gauge Remington 870 "Witness Protection." Handgun: 2 Gen4 Glock 19s (kept in underarm tactical holsters; uses 17-round magazines). Submachine Gun: 9mm IMI Mini-Uzi (barrel threaded to accommodate suppressor). Sniper Rifle: DRD Tactical Paratus-SBR-12. Backup Guns: Walther PPS (.40 S&W chambering); FN Five-seveN Tactical (armor-piercing SS190 ammo); Beretta Px4 Storm Sub-Compact; Bond Arms Snake Slayer derringer (.357 Magnum chambering); Glock 36. You all gave good suggestions, and it hit me that, since Hanna would likely choose which gun she'd use depending on what she expected to encounter, she'd probably have them all for versatility's sake. Like Travis Bickle did in "Tax Driver." Hanna acquires the illegal weapons and ammo from a black market arms dealer, paying for them with gold taken from the Nazi hoard hidden at the bottom of Lake Toplitz in Austria (her father retrieved it and hid it away shortly before he took Hanna into hiding). |
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Second: Too many calibers. You're looking at 5 different pistol calibers and 6 brands. Drop the .40 PPS for a 9mm version. I think the Seecamp LWS in .380 would be a much better choice than a .357 derringer. It's shorter, half the weight, and reloads faster with more ammo. It quite literally will fit in you palm, and .380 is probably easier to get than .357 in Europe. I might drop the Px4 Sub-compact for a Glock 26, just for simplicity's sake and mag commonality, but whatever you want. Finally, get a TT-33 or similar weapon. Anything old and chambered for 7.62x25. You need a weapon that penetrates bulletproof vests and doesn't scream "Professional with stolen military-grade ammo". Discrete is nice. Same with your sniper rifle. You may want something more common. And your Remington 870 should have a top-fold stock on it. I don't care how short the barrel, you need to be able to aim sometimes. Top-fold stock (Be prepared), Surefire weapons light pump, and a receiver-mounter shell holder are all good. So basically: 2 Glock 19s, one in shoulder holster the one on hip. Single gun in thigh holster for tactical work. PPS (9mm) Px4 Sub-Compact (9mm) Glock 36 (45ACP) Seecamp LWS (.380) FN Five-seveN (5.7x28) TT-33 (7.62x25) Yes, I just added another caliber while trying to simplify.:rolleyes: Pocket knife Boot knife And as for backup weapons, use your perverted guy imagination for where to stick them.:o She's a woman, the old "pistol in the garter belt" trick probably won't work, but in your bra or an inside-thigh holster (If wearing a suitably short skirt/dress) will. Like I said before, approach this like you're playing Fallout. Loot the dead, sell the guns, keep the ammo. And stash some guns somewhere else, just in case. |
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For her non gun weapons, I was thinking a folding Emerson kerambit, a Fairbairn-Sykes Fighting Knife, and an Applegate-Fairbairn Combat Smatchet. |
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The Vanquish should work, but I'm not sure she needs long-range firepower. She's great in close quarters, but I doubt she has any long-range skill. Also, she should still have Marissa's Walther PP (.32 ACP) with suppressor and shoulder holster. I'd get her a Luger P08 as well, she had one in Finland and is might be nice to have one now. Same with a bow, she knows how to use one and going Robin Hood on bad guys is cool.
Slightly off-topic, but does she have friends in the fanfic? Aside from the bonus of having a second person to watch your back, she's still a naive teen with very little idea how the world works. She could seriously use a big-sister sidekick. I'd give her 2 buddies. Ass-kicking big sister type to cover her six in combat (two is always better than one) and teach her how the world-and, more importantly, :Dboys:confused:- work. And a slightly nerdish type (male or female) to act as driver (fast getaways are nice) and be the adult of the group. That said, they should try to follow the law. Try to avoid full-auto, and put all the suppressors and any SBR/SBS in an NFA trust. AR pistols could work as a substitute for assault rifles sometimes. Yes, I just gave her 3 more guns, a bow, and 2 more people to give guns:eek:. But by herself, she can't do too much and remember, she can't even get a hotel room, too young. |
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I was planning to have her trade Marissa's Walther PP (it was the .380 version, by the way) along with the cash needed to obtain her new weapons from a black market arms dealer (I seriously doubt she'd want to keep it). She would still keep her father's Beretta and Luger, but keep them in her home as momentos rather than use them. Quote:
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SBR, SBS, NFA Trust, I don't know what ANY of those things are. |
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SBS = Short Barreled Shotgun. NFA Trust = http://www.guntrustlawyer.net/nfa_trust |
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Pity you can't have it cross over with Dark Angel. Jessica Alba as Max, another genetically engineered child soldier (X5-452), just have Max willing to use guns. The timing wouldn't work though (Max was born in 2000 and is in post-EMP 2019 Seatle.) Then again, you could handwave it and have Hanna be an X1 or X2 prototype. And don't go full-auto. IRL, full-auto isn't used 99% of the time anyway because it wastes ammo. Also (see below), full-auto will have the government all over you for seriously illegal weaponry. Quote:
Unless you magically handwave the police into not caring and no one ever calls 911 reporting automatic gunfire, it won't work. I'd recommend Vermont or New Hampshire, since they have incredibly loose gun laws and NH doesn't care how old you are. Virginia might be nice, but I moved here from Massachusetts years ago, so I'm biased like that. Still, you get loose gun laws, a decent-size city (Richmond), and is next to Washington, DC. Yes, I'm citing gun laws while trying to arm a genetically modified child soldier. Am I massively over-thinking all of this? |
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BTW, where did she get tactical training? Her father taught her wilderness survival, but being skilled with firearms and urban combat is a very different thing. She'd be fine if you dropped her in Siberia. Fighting trained and well-equipped bad guys if vastly different than fighting a couple tracksuited mooks in the film. I'm still vastly over-thinking stuff, aren't I? |
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As an added bonus her blood can heal other injured persons, kind of like Claire on Heros. Quote:
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Update 3
After considerable discussion, I've made quite a few changes, and I think I've narrowed it down to guns that will not be too big for the protagonist, are chambered in fairly easy to acquire ammunition, and not too difficult to acquire replacement parts for.
Assault Rifle: Ruger Mini-14 GB-F Shotgun: Mossberg 500 JIC II (with custom-made, detachable M4-type stock and trigger disconnector removed). Handgun: duel Glock 19s (one in a shoulder holster, one on the hip). Submachine Gun: Heckler & Koch MP5SD6 (suppressor baffles reinforced to allow prolonged full-auto fire without risking damage). Backup Gun: Walther PPS (9mm chambering). Bladed Weapons: folding Emerson Karambit, Glock Survival Knife 81, Applegate-Fairbairn Combat Smatchet. |
To answer an old question
Hanna got to New York from Europe with help from the CIA. Between the movie and my fic, she was approached at her cabin by a member of the more "white hat" elements of the CIA, who felt that they owed her for not only taking out a rogue agent (Marissa) but for helping to eliminate everyone who knew about Project Galinka, which could have caused a public relations catastrophe.
Hanna asked for a legal identity, enough money to get by on until she could support herself, and to be left alone by the CIA for the rest of her life. She chose New York because, having read about it in Erik's books, she liked the idea of a city where she could be around people and disappear into anonymity at the same time. |
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Here's some links: http://www.rbprecision.com/id51.htm http://www.impactguns.com/rock-river...ne-lr1297.aspx Why'd you switch to a Mossberg rather than a Remington for the shotgun? FYI, check out the pictures of Lyndsy Fonseca with the Bennelli Nova on the Nikita Season 2 page. She about 1-2 inches shorter than Saoirse Ronan, who played Hanna. I might give her a Kel-Tec PMR-30 as a car/motorcycle gun. 30 rounds of .22 Magnum is nice when you're trying to drive and shoot. It's no elephant gun, but it can still kill. You could always make it full-auto. The CIA can do one better than giving her a new identity. They can make her a US citizen. In 1949, Congress passed the so-called 100 Persons Act, allowing the CIA to make 100 aliens a year US Citizens. That's what she wants. Thank you, Tom Clancy! Wait a second, if she's not fighting the CIA, who is she fighting? 17 ounce soft drinks?:) |
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Speaking of, I'm thinking about revisiting my first choice, the LWRC M6A2 PSD in 6.8 Remington SPC. I know the 6.8 hasn't seen much in the way of military use (excepting the Jordanian Army), but I've spoken to a lot of hunters and they all agree that they prefer it over the .223 Remington. Plenty of manufacturers make assault rifles chambered for the 6.8, so it won't be that hard to acquire. And the PSD fulfills all of Hanna's needs. Quote:
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I plan to have Hanna try to live a peaceful life in New York, but seeing crime happen without punishment, coupled with the stress of life in a big city, causes her killing instincts to come out and drive her to vigilantism. |
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Also, I might try the Kel-Tec RFB for her sniper rifle. A bullpup forward-ejecting 7.62 NATO rifle that takes FN FAL mags could be good. And you could switch between 18, 24, and 30 inch barrels as needed. What sort of accessories are you giving her? What kind of dot/holographic sight, weaponslights, etc. Quote:
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Oh, and my comment about unconventional carry of weapons? Bra Holster. http://flashbangholsters.publishpath.com/ |
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I'm gonna need a little help with accessories, because aside from the 100mm spotting scope with an attached coaxial 30mm finderscope she'll use to plan out her longer-range shots, I don't really know much about them. Quote:
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MAN, did I have it @ss-backwards
It just hit me how stupid it was to try to come up with all those high-end, modern firearms for Hanna. Now only would that not make for very good character exploration (a girl trained to survival with the barest minimum of resources suddenly having access to the best of everything? Boring!), but being able to get all of those from street-level illegal arms dealers pushes the suspension of disbelief a little TOO far. So how's THIS for a list:
Primary Handgun: FEG P9R in 9mm Parabellum (kept in crossdraw shoulder holster). Assault Rifle: AK-102 carbine in 5.56mm NATO. Sub-Machine Gun: Smith & Wesson Model 76 in 9mm Parabellum. Shotgun: 12-gauge Ithaca 37 (5-shot capacity with sawn-off barrel and stock). Back-up Guns: Walther PPS in 9mm Parabellum (8-round magazine; kept in "small-of-the-back" belt holster) and Smith & Wesson Model 442 Airweight in .38 Special (+P loads; kept in ankle holster). She'll use a compound bow with fixed-blade, steel broadhead arrows for long-range, silent kills. She'll also carry a Soviet NR-40 combat knife on her belt and an Emerson folding karambit in her pocket. |
Nice to see this isn't dead. But your weapons selection is IMO bad again.
The Hi-Power clone should be OK, but I would go with Glock or SiG. Modern, compact, readily available parts, just better. You should be able to get one anywhere in the US AK-102: Absolutely not. Never. Ever. You want to have a gun that no one else in the USA has, with spare parts unavailable, and very limited options for accessories. I think I said this earlier, but if you're in the US and using 5.56, it's basically AR-15 or nothing. About 6 minor nations use the AK-102, and the nearest is Venezuela. That's where spare parts are coming from. Get an AR-15. I'd have 10.5, 14.5, and maybe 16" barreled uppers for it. That would allow you to go CQB or snipe just by changing the upper. Like I said before, when in Rome, do as the Romans. S&W M76: Another bad choice. There were never a whole lot of them, and production ended 40 years ago. Spare parts are an issue, ergonomics are probably bad, and you can't put dot sight and other goodies on it. I would recommend...almost anything else. Uzi/Mini Uzi, MP5A3, MP5K-PDW, B&T MP9. A TEC-9 might be nice if you need a disposable SMG. Essentially, anything in 9x19, with readily available spare parts. Shotgun: Good choice, but very limiting. I'd go with the Mossberg JIC you picked earlier. Back-ups: good choices. But get a good-quality hip holster for your primary pistol, and don't carry all 3 pistols at once. Completely unnecessary and heavy. Also, you know the AKMSU? I think that if you got one of those it would make a nice concealable assault rifle. Use 20-round mags, put a mini red dot on a railed handgrip, and practice opening the stock while drawing. Serious short-range firepower, if very noisy. BTW, I came across a Buffy the Vampire Slayer fanfic were Dr. Walsh (evil doctor lady from Season 4) and Marissa worked together, so Hanna ends up joining up with Buffy (who's joined the Army) and Jason Bourne to take her out. Want a link? |
If you want guns that would be readily available to criminals, if memory serves S&W 9mm automatics are one of the more commonly used higher end pistols used by criminals, so you could go with something like a 5906 or 915 for the primary, or a 3913 for the secondary. Also, Mossberg 500s are the most common pump action used by criminals so I would go with a variant of that.
Like Mandolin said an AR-15 carbine is pretty much a no brainer for the AR, and it has the advantage that it is easy to convert to full auto. Similarly for the SMG you could go for a Colt one, maybe a Model 991, or if you want something shorter maybe the Model 633 (this is pretty rare, but it is pretty much just a chopped down 635 so wouldn't be hard to mod one to this spec). |
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Okay, I think I've finally got a good list
Primary Handguns: Duel SIG-Sauer P228s in 9mm Parabellum (one kept in hip holster, one in shoulder holster).
Assault Rifle: Colt Model 933 carbine in 5.56mm NATO. Shotgun: 12-gauge Mossberg 500 JIC II (00 buckshot, pistol-grip modified to attached 6-position M4 stock). Sub-Machine Gun: IMI Mini-Uzi in 9mm Parabellum. Back-Up Guns: Walther PPS in 9mm Parabellum (8-round magazine, kept in "small-of-the-back" belt holster), Smith & Wesson Model 442 Airweight in .38 Special (+P loads, kept in ankle holster). Other Weapons: Soviet NR-40 combat knife, Fairbairn-Sykes fighting knife, Emerson folding combat karambit, Kubotan. |
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