Gun Identification (CONT'D)
 

The thread is an obvious neccessity, so I figure we should keep it going, but not make it a monstrous thread to scroll through. Make sure to check on the last few things though to make sure something important isn't missed.

In Vantage Point, the snipers carry rifles which I've ID'd as Steyr SSG 69 rifles. But the only thing off is the bolt handle, which goes straight down instead of curving backwards. Does this mean it is something else? Here's a shot.

http://i29.tinypic.com/mhen3r.jpg

At one point in the movie, I was surprised to see a P229 DAK with the frame rail used by a Secret Service agent, and got three "meh" shots of it, but it switched to a Bruni 8mm Beretta at one point.

http://i31.tinypic.com/iz7y3r.jpg

^ I won't be putting it in three-by-side format on the actual page, but it saves space here.

http://i25.tinypic.com/29ljjg5.jpg

^ Where'd this come from?!

Final question. When we first see Dennis Quaid loading up his SIG P229 at the beginning, I grabbed a shot of his loaded magazine. Besides seeing it isn't fully loaded (no brass visible through cut in mag), are the rounds loaded 9mm, .40 S&W, or .357 SIG? I can't tell, the person who made the page said .357 SIG.

http://i27.tinypic.com/28usf0z.jpg

I'll probably have much more to bug everyone with, since like my other thread "Shopping Spree" suggests, I have an assload of movies to screencap.

Also, I have more Leon screencaps to put here for confirmation.

That's actually neither. Most .40 S&W bullets have flat points at their tip, and .357s have the bottlenecked cartridge. That's a 9mm, believe it or not.

Also, I doubt even if the mag were loaded that you'd see the bullet through the magazine cut.

I'm fairly sure thats an SSG-69, there are different versions with different bolt handles.

I figured it was a 9mm, but I just wanted to be sure. It's ridiculous when Dennis Quaid is firing his SIG in the climax of the film. He fires off 21 rounds from a 13 shot magazine. And still has spare ammunition after that!

And I thought you could see the brass through that slot. They likely didn't fully load it anyway, since it's an uneccessary procedure, as we cannot see anything but the top (usually) anyway.

That's what I figured, but I was just making sure, since in all the images I found of SSG-69s on google, they all had back turned bolt handles.

Here's some shots of Leon's grenades, maybe someone can figure these out, I'm stumped.

http://i31.tinypic.com/2mfgorp.jpg
http://i31.tinypic.com/167wi92.jpg
^ The Ring Trick.
http://i28.tinypic.com/23mknrr.jpg
^"Oh shit."

I still don't have the best shot of them though, on his holster rig, so I'll put that up soon to help out more.

Also, the ESU guys have grenades too. I'm guessing they're M67 Baseballs, but I'll put them here to be certain.

http://i26.tinypic.com/2eoblm1.jpg

In the same scene we see the "Ring Trick", the guy inside is blasting away with an unknown assault rifle. These are the only shots ever given:

http://i32.tinypic.com/142ebn5.jpg

The star pattern type flash hints maybe an M16 of some sort? Like this one seen in the hands of an ESU agent (not sure it's an Adler Jaer though)

http://i26.tinypic.com/6xyudi.jpg

We see 5.56mm blank ammunition on the floor of his apartment, so it's a maybe.

http://i28.tinypic.com/28h27fr.jpg

They look like fakes with real [though presumably inert] plugs. Look at the two nearest the bottom of the image, the spoons aren't even the same shape.

BTW -Gunmaster 45, If you think some of your caps for Leon are higher quality than mine I have no problem with you replacing some of them

Okay, that's good. 'cause I was kinda planning to. ;)

You fiend!!

BTW, what is this?
http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/9/...px-Leon160.jpg

I had it IDed as the SIG SG-543 on my cap of it.

You sure?
The barrel looks kind of long for a 543
http://www.gun-world.net/sigsauer/sg540/sig_sg543.jpgp

Yeah, that'd be a 540.

My bad, I'm not too familiar with the SG 540 series, just the 550.

I question whether this pistol is Mathilda's 1911
http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/6/...AM1911A1-6.jpg

this right here is Mathilda's 1911 paintball pistol, note that the grips are different, the trigger guard is different, and that the image above does not look very much like a 1911.
http://www.imfdb.org/images/b/b2/Prof-1911.jpg

exhibit 2
red arrow points to Ruger SP101, Green Arrow points to the automatic pistol that is contested as Mathilda's 1911 and the blue arrow points to what I think is actually Mathilda's 1911
http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/5/...x-Leon1042.jpg

I had the third pistol IDed as the MASS pistol, but I think you're right.

Huh, what is that?

If you look at the contours of the handgun's slide next to the SP-101 it resembles a Beretta 92fs slide greatly however the slide does not expose the barrel.

This would not make sense unless it was a Beretta M9 Dolphin.

http://www.securityarms.com/20010315.../2000/2028.htm

It looks to me like a Vektor SP1 Sport:

http://world.guns.ru/handguns/vektor-sp1-4.jpg

I don't know, the bevel in the front of the slide of that vektor is kind of sharp while the one in the screenshot is curvy and gradual.

Hmmm, I guess. Not sure then. Might also be one of the target Berettas (like the 92 Combat), except that I'm not sure those were around when the movie was made.

Most of the guns used in Vantage Point were airsoft. That sniper rifle looks like an airsoft gun to me. There is a major airsoft website that claims to have supplied the film, I don't remember which one exactly. Redwolf maybe.

ohhh those are purrrdddyyyy
http://www.berettaweb.com/92%20Successo/92-combat.gif

I would highly doubt that. Airsoft manufacturers have been claiming their products are used in major movies for years, and then somebody proves them wrong. The airsoft community itself is full of bullshitters who claim they see an airsoft gun in a movie and then it turns out they were lying.

1234 So true.

Okay I asked around on a Gun forum and they were a gold mine of help (no not really lol)

http://www.firearmstalk.com/forums/f...42/index2.html

But basically they all thought the slide and the frame were from a Beretta 92 type handgun.
(still doesn't explain the non open slide however)
Alot of them also thought it was fake because it was from a movie.

Ugh, what a bunch of morons. Tell them that if they think guns in movies are fake, they're free to come to IMFDB and talk to any of the professional armorers who are admins here. I'm sure they'd resent being told that the guns that they have to take care of on-set are all "fake".

cpttango30 doesn't know shit about anything. He didn't ID anything right on the table, and believes the gun is fake. He's a retard.

Well I'm not a bullshitter. Jeez man, chill out.

I'm not sure where you fostered this attitude, but in this case it happens to be a reseller, not a manufacturer, making the claim.

http://www.speedytoys.com/shop/

Scroll down, you'll see what I'm talking about.

That rifle IS an airsoft gun. It's a UTG.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...UTG_Sniper.JPG

I used to work a lot with maxsell armory in florida, and they provided guns to several movies including the most recent Shaft film.

I don't just pull nonsense out of thin air ya know. :D

Cool, that image will fit well on the Vantage Point page when I get around to it.

I'm totally chill. You don't seem to be, however. I also didn't call you a bullshitter, but I am saying that you are buying into someone else's bullshit.

Airsoft manufacturers and retailers are both notorious for BS. Not that there aren't instances of airsoft guns being used in movies (I've spotted plenty of obvious examples myself), but I'm familiar enough with the airsoft community to know how much people lie to (A.) sell their products, or (B.) convince themselves that they have the same prop that was used in their favorite action movie. I remember seeing a guy on "Airsoft Retreat" who claimed that his uncle was a "grip" on the movie "Tears of the Sun", and that all of the M4s in that movie (which he mistakenly called SR16s) were airsoft. And this was one of the site's senior members!

That's just the way things are. So, until I see definitive proof, I am inclined to take their claims with a very large grain of salt.

I added a new category for unknown weaponry.

http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Category:Unknown_Weapon

Interesting stuff on that unknown page.

MT, I'm just trying to help you guys ID a rifle. You can piss on the information if you want, but that's not going to help the site be a better resource.

I still don't see how some guy on some airsoft forum equates to all airsoft companies being notorious bullshitters, but to be frank about it, I don't really care.

I've had very good experiences working with airsoft and PFC resellers, and have ordered directly from a few companies in Japan and those were good experiences too.

Specifically, this rifle in vantage point. I don't think it's a real steyr. The details match the UTG airsoft rifle, not the SSG, SL, or L lines. But that doesn't mean someone else can't go do what I did, which was to visit the steyr website, and do a google image search for both steyr rifle, and for UTG airsoft rifles and compare them.

http://www.steyrpro.com/

http://www.airgundepot.com/utg-airsoft-guns.html

I just surfed over to the page. That's not a 700. It's a steyr style action.

"Piss on the information"? Bro, I think you need to take your own advice and chill the fuck out. You're taking this way too personally. Yeah, I'm skeptical of the info you provided, and I expressed my reasons for being skeptical. That's hardly "pissing" on it, and I don't see why the hell you'd get so offended. Unless you represent this particular retailer?

Personally, I'm far more inclined to trust the professional armorers on this site, because they're people who actually supply guns to Hollywood and they know how the biz works. The same does not apply to the typical airsoft fan or retailer.

That was one example. I can think of countless other examples of kids on airsoft message boards who claimed that they had proof that there was an airsoft gun in some movie (like one guy who said there was an airsoft G36C in "Bad Boys II", and another who claimed that "Heat" was all airsoft guns). Remember, I own airsoft guns and used to be into airsoft myself, so I know the community.

Unfortunately, the reality is that most airsoft fans are kids who have never touched a real gun in their lives. And retailers, likewise, are often people who have something to gain by claiming that they supplied guns to this or that movie. That is my experience, and I reserve the right to be skeptical having had those experiences.

The person who made that page did an iffy job, I caught plenty of other guns and so on. I've just been really busy lately and haven't worked on the computer in weeks.

Halp!
 

http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Grand...ble_Content.29

http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image...GT-unknown.jpg

Weird looking thing. It looks like a typical auto shotgun, but I can't really pin it down, and to top it off Rockstar have seen fit to have it eject brass rather than shotgun shells.

Sorry guys, found it elsewhere.. http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/AA-12...29#Video_Games

Yeah, that's an AA 12, weird that they made it semi-auto in the game though since it's designed to be a full auto shotgun. And it doesn't shoot brass. That's the shells. The blur shot angle made it look like brass.

Oh I just assumed it was semiauto. There's only been a trailer so far, who knows if it's semi or full in the game. I'll change that.

Wow, this one has finally been Identified as a Llama M-82 by "Rob the Fiend"

http://world.guns.ru/handguns/llama_m82.jpg