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Mazryonh 10-05-2016 09:19 PM

Is anyone thinking of adding this cooking show to the wiki?
 
Gordon Ramsay is probably the most well-known chef on TV right now, but what most people don't know is that sometimes he is actually depicted as hunting and bagging his own meat on TV.

Ramsay hunting wild boar.

Ramsay hunting pigeons.

These aren't the only times Ramsay has been filmed hunting with firearms. Since they're real firearms being shown, would this kind of show be eligible for the wiki? And can anyone ID the guns in these videos?

commando552 10-05-2016 09:44 PM

Reality shows (which I assume this would be classified as) are stated as not being automatically eligible under the documentary section of the RSP.

funkychinaman 10-06-2016 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by commando552 (Post 43017)
Reality shows (which I assume this would be classified as) are stated as not being automatically eligible under the documentary section of the RSP.

Beat me to it.

Excalibur 10-06-2016 03:05 PM

Starting to wonder would reality shows be so bad to add? People would ask questions as to what guns are being used

MoviePropMaster2008 10-08-2016 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Mazryonh (Post 43016)
Gordon Ramsay is probably the most well-known chef on TV right now, but what most people don't know is that sometimes he is actually depicted as hunting and bagging his own meat on TV.

Ramsay hunting wild boar.

Ramsay hunting pigeons.

These aren't the only times Ramsay has been filmed hunting with firearms. Since they're real firearms being shown, would this kind of show be eligible for the wiki? And can anyone ID the guns in these videos?

My view is ..... Absolutely NOT! :) Sorry but I feel strongly about the prohibition against Reality TV.

The first rifle Ramsay uses is a Browning BAR MK II Safari Rifle with Realtree dip Camo pattern. And he then fails utterly with a USP Compact Pistol.

In the Pigeon hunting video, Ramsay is seen holding a Beretta A391 Semi auto hunting shotgun with factory Camo dip.

Personally I'm surprised (at the second video) that the Brits are allowed any bloody firearms at all :(

Mazryonh 10-12-2016 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by MoviePropMaster2008 (Post 43021)
My view is ..... Absolutely NOT! :) Sorry but I feel strongly about the prohibition against Reality TV.

Then would it be such a problem if we made a page just for Gordon Ramsay, not his shows? He's paid and trained for the show's hunting action, not a "regular joe we pulled in off the street to make the show more realistic," and it's not like his Hell's Kitchen contestants are put into his hunting sequences to show how they do.

How about something like Home Improvement starring Tim Allen? Does filming on a live studio stage with live audience reaction and interjections count as being too much like reality TV?

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Originally Posted by MoviePropMaster2008 (Post 43021)
The first rifle Ramsay uses is a Browning BAR MK II Safari Rifle with Realtree dip Camo pattern. And he then fails utterly with a USP Compact Pistol.

In the Pigeon hunting video, Ramsay is seen holding a Beretta A391 Semi auto hunting shotgun with factory Camo dip.

Thanks for the IDs. Ramsay is seen hunting with other guns on this show.

Hunting for rooks to make pie

Hunting for Snow Geese with two kinds of shotguns

Trying to hunt deer with a suppressed rifle

A more successful hunt for halal deer

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Originally Posted by MoviePropMaster2008 (Post 43021)
Personally I'm surprised (at the second video) that the Brits are allowed any bloody firearms at all :(

You might find this mini-documentary by the BBC to be informative.

MoviePropMaster2008 10-14-2016 06:36 AM

How about we stick to narrative stories in Film, Television, Video Games and Anime and forget about adding new and obscure mini categories to IMFDB?

There are tons of pages that are not finished, terribly done. There are tons of legitimate shows that no one has screen capped or written about yet. :D

Mazryonh 10-19-2016 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by MoviePropMaster2008 (Post 43033)
How about we stick to narrative stories in Film, Television, Video Games and Anime and forget about adding new and obscure mini categories to IMFDB?

There are tons of pages that are not finished, terribly done. There are tons of legitimate shows that no one has screen capped or written about yet. :D

I don't think that including a list of the firearms Gordon Ramsay has used on his TV shows really requires a new category. We could just include a new page for Gordon Ramsay himself and no other people from his shows, nor pages for his shows if they don't count. The firearms he uses for his hunting episodes are demonstrably real and people could be visiting the wiki to find out about them. I am reminded of R. Lee Ermey's page and how he often played himself demonstrating firearms on Mail Call and Locked and Loaded. Neither of those were narrative stories for TV.

We've expanded the wiki's scope over time. Land mines, for instance, are not strictly firearms but were included. Fighter jet cannons aren't the sort of thing modern infantry can realistically lug around but we've included them too. We've even made a spoiler template when I remember there used to be a no-spoilers policy on the wiki. I do not think one more page for Gordon Ramsay in the manner I outlined would break anything on the wiki.

I'd still like you to ID the firearms on the other Gordon Ramsay clips I linked to if at all possible.

As for the "tons of pages unfinished and unpolished," that's largely a wiki user problem. I think that most of them are the stuff that isn't widely available for most users to screencap. If you want to clean them up, then could a search parameter be included to exclude incomplete/WIP pages from search results?

Spartan198 10-20-2016 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Mazryonh (Post 43024)
How about something like Home Improvement starring Tim Allen? Does filming on a live studio stage with live audience reaction and interjections count as being too much like reality TV?

Home Improvement is still scripted, live audience or not. Reality TV is (or at least is supposed to be) unscripted.

funkychinaman 10-20-2016 06:04 PM

And any reality shows on the wiki were grandfathered in following the ban on reality TV. When we complete a page for every eligible film, television series, video game and anime in existance, we'll talk.

MoviePropMaster2008 10-21-2016 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Mazryonh (Post 43046)
Fighter jet cannons aren't the sort of thing modern infantry can realistically lug around but we've included them too.

I've always been strongly against listing them, since 99.99% of the time, you can't even see them and it's only listed for the purposes of trivia on what 'that plane would normally be armed with in the real world'.

No Movie Armory houses stocks them. No armorer has ever touched them. Why? because they're only installed on the fighter jets at the manufacturing plant and the only real ones are the ones on jets 'borrowed' from the military or filmed with their permission.

Too many times we veer away from the main purpose of the site, to identify firearms used (and I actually mean used as in handled or specifically depicted) in movies, TV (and anime and videogames, though I was never a fan of how some artist's fanciful drawing counted but I'm definitely in the minority ;) )

Some of these items were included because the majority of Admins deemed them relevant. :) But I'm more of a purist on these matters.

funkychinaman 10-21-2016 11:14 PM

Anime and video games are particularly frustrating, since there's so much room for interpretation.

As for aircraft armament, the FAA prohibits the arming of civilian aircraft, which means either the military has to cooperate or we're dealing with mockups.


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