I think the idea is, it's better to have it in the first place. I know plenty of people who travel around with a "bugout" bag and inside is some sort of carbine, either pistol caliber or rifle caliber. That's also why I know guys who don't carry small guns. Big guns are better to shoot and can throw down more rounds.
Yes, my bug out bag is in my car, but where I work, my car is close enough to run to. I'd rather have the option than others telling me I can't own one. I also buy ammo at every paycheck and if I see a sale on magazines, I would get a few. Train and practice constantly and always be vigilant |
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I really have no say in this regard (nor frankly have I any desire to argue against anyway), all I've been able to do is caution her a bit and give her insight on the actual proper and practical uses of such a tool. In truth I doubt it'll ever be used as anything more than a range toy, but again, to her, no one else's damn business or concern why she has it. That said, I agree mainly that in an actual active shooter scenario a rifle is unlikely to be much help short of being slung on your person, but I think Excalibur makes a good point about having it as part of a bug out kit/plan (that'd be how I'd go about it). Home defense is another story, however (though personally I've always leaned to the shotty there myself). |
I like the shotgun and I live with my brother. He can work his 870 like a surgeon, but I prefer my AR for awhile. Semi auto, more rounds in case I miss, which I trained to not often. If I do miss, it's 1 small hole verse a bunch of hole with buck shot.
Right now, I got my paperwork started on SBRing my EVO an that could be my potential bed side gun. It's shorter, so it can work tighter spaces better. People debate the effectiveness of a 9mm, but out of a carbine like gun and hollow points...it's pretty effective. I've also been looking at suppressors. My "ultimate" HD gun could eventually be a SBR AR-15 with a suppressor attached in .300 blackout. Very potent round out of an SBR and pretty damn quiet. |
If you shoot someone with that SBR, be ready to have to sue the PD to get it back
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And that is why I pick 9mm. I carry +P hollow points in all my defensive guns. Now I like the .45. It's a big bullet...but that's pretty much it.
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I have to say for a while I saw pistol-caliber carbines as something of a fad and curiosity, but looking into it more they certainly have their places outside of having a bigger but similarly chambered range toy. In a world where I have winning lotto numbers I can now certainly see having one with a corresponding pistol(s), if only to not be a bit of a hypocrite standing next to some lever-action Magnum carbine among a slew of revolvers. |
I think the idea of the pistol caliber carbine or PCC is that you can't legally have a submachine gun, so you get something close. Which is a 9mm shoulder arm. Or in the case of my Scorpion Evo pistol, technically I call it a subgun, but it's legally a pistol with a cheek rest on it. The allure of it goes back to submachine guns. A pistol caliber shoulder arm that has a lot more stability in a gun fight than a simple pistol. When shouldered, a subgun shoots more accurate and is easier to learn for beginner shooter, in fact long guns are always easier for beginners because of the extra point of contact
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Here are all three of mine: http://www.imfdb.org/images/9/94/Glocks172634.JPG Even crazier: I'm already thinking about picking up either a -19 or a -21. |
You aren't a true glock owner without having a fun stick in one of them. I recommend trying out ETS mags. They are pretty awesome for less money
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Had a customer come in today with a Glock on his belt, mag sticking out the bottom.
Politely leaned forward and asked in my best your-fly-is-open tone, asked "Is your mag falling out or is that an extended mag?" It was an extended mag. |
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Once I was helping a delivery and the house happened to belong to a cop and he was carrying a 2 tone Glock with an extended mag on his belt...for some reason...and to add to the unintentional racism, the cop was black |
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Dude I used to talk to a bit that was part of the South African Police Service Special Task Force at the tail end of apartheid told me he used to carry a 20 round magazine in his Beretta 92. Got tired of being told his mag was falling out, started using it as a spare
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Oh also, when I worked in a gun shop, any time I was carrying my 459 I had my 20 rounder in my back pocket; would have never kept it in the gun, since it'd guarantee I'd knock it into something
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I used to carry a P226 with a 20 round mag and got the "your mags falling out" thing a couple of times too. With these mags it especially looks like they are falling out though, as the old style 20 rounder I got a hold of (I believe they were initially used by the SAS but have filtered out a bit and I procured one) has a bottom which looks exactly like the bottom of a standard magazine without any kind of spacer.
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Personally, for my Glock19, when I carry, I would just have the standard capacity 15 round mag +1 because I'm still trying my best to conceal it and it works. I would only carry a spare and that has an extension, so it's 19 rounds. So guys I know, who had just gotten out of the military at first didn't care if his gun isn't concealing well and say they rely on their training to prevent someone from getting a hold of their gun...then I'd mention that if a bad guy is looking around and is here to cause trouble, they'd take out the guy who is visibly armed. Concealing your gun gives you an advantage |
A S&W 645 that was obviously a safe queen, a box of low recoil Remington buck, and some Hornady Critical Duty .45's
I love how this 645 feels, and the sights. Trigger isn't even that bad, reminds me of my (now broken thanks to Ruger) Redhawk |
Been thinking about getting the newer Kel-tec Sub2000 because when it's folded, it counts as the firearm being disassembled and I want that as my trunk gun for when I go to work instead of a handgun. Illinois law is stupid but they do say if the firearm is taken apart, it's ok for transport in your car out of state. Though the law also states that if you are a CCW holder from out of state, it is ok to leave a loaded gun in your car as long as it is locked up.
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that's not a bad idea. I could get an AR pistol like that and just have it opened and that could count as disassembled...
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On second thought I suppose that you could just put the rear pin while it is open to stop it closing. Either way you could use one of those quick release pins to make it easier to put back together/take apart in a hurry. |
I'm gonna ask some people I know about that because it would be awesome to build an AR pistol for my purpose.
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Technically I don't have to break it down, but it's an extra law of legal protection. If someone I got a search without warrant or consent and my gun is discovered after without consent breaking the lock of the case opened, then it would help protect me legally if the gun is technically "apart" and not fully assembled.
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So, Jackie and I got engaged in May. Part of the deal was I wasn't going to buy anymore guns until I bought the ring. Man, you never realize how many guns you were gonna buy until you can't.
That being said, Jackie bought me an engagement gun. New production Winchester Model 70 Sporter. 22 inch barrel. .270 Winchester, because Jack O'Connor. Leoupold 3x9 Rifleman scope. Will post pics tomorrow. |
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^ I concur. Congrats and best to ya both.
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Recently I've gotten a 5900 series Mec Gar, a factory 39 mag, a slidefire stock (gift), a ton of handgun ammo, and I'm bidding on more 4506/645 mags Congrats SPEMack |
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You would recommend me a Smith & Wesson gun. I think I'm going to build an AR pistol and have that be my truck gun for when I travel. |
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Hi Point .45 mags for my friend, some 4506 mags for myself, some handgun ammo. I need to focus on getting more .45 and .308
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Ruger P94 because the price was decent and the gun is in really good shape, ordered 3 mags and 5 boxes of .40 for it
I'd been wanting a .40 for a while (I can always find ammo here, even when 9mm and .45 is sold to the bare shelves), had been waiting for a good police trade in or a 4006 or something, but honestly this fits the bill alright. I'd also been wanting a beater gun to leave in my car, so there's two birds with one stone |
I forgot this thread existed
paid all the fees and such for my Texas LTC, so getting that soon bought a fuckton of 4506 mags, have 11 now between 2 guns Taurus PT111 Gen 2 (surprisingly decent, but the finish blows) for a general "I don't care if this goes in an evidence locker" gun SOON: holster for PT111 and then LCP, Talon grips for PT111 because it's too slick at the top of the grip, P228 mags for PT111 |
Finally found a S&W Model 19 w/4" barrel today. I now have one of each. A 6", 4" and the 2.5". All three are pinned & recessed. It only took me four years to complete this little trio. Apologies for the photo quality. I was in a hurry and evidently there was some spots on the lens.
http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/...pshpqjyecu.jpg http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/...pspxlwnzkc.jpg |
The only reason I own the 645 is that the place I went to had JUST sold the Model 66 I was going to pick up
I hope none of them ever develop forcing cone issues, jcordell, it's too nice of a collection |
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