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BlackIce_GTS 04-27-2011 11:20 PM

50 BMG Dummies
 
I really like .50 BMG, but I don't see getting a rifle in that calibre in my near future, so...
With all the people that sell dummies, you wouldn't think I'd have such trouble getting my hands on them. I've tried J & A Discount Military Surplus and American Specialty Ammo. Both accepted my order, only to call me up and say 'sorry, not to Canada.' I tried to order from River Valley Ordnance, but they may or may not still be in business (my email bounced back, forum noise says they're OOB). Too bad, since their listed prices are awesome (25$ for a 2' linked belt).
After a little more poking around, it seems the US State Department has banned exportation of anything 50 BMG. Including dummies? I can't tell for sure.
Do any of you know;
Is it actually illegal to export dummies and;
If not, who will ship me some that don't have holes in them?
If so, would it be illegal for me to buy them in the US and bring them back? (I'll be in Washington next month and I could order them from Cabela's for in store pick up). Even typing that it sounds like a stupid question, but I've heard of stupider loopholes. I'd only have to deal with the Canadian border guards coming back, and as far as they're concerned .50 BMG is perfectly legal.

Failing those options, I guess I'll have to find somebody here who reloads that calibre (not easy!) and ask if they'll make me some.
Lot of effort for a paperweight.

BurtReynoldsMoustache 04-28-2011 12:32 AM

Is there anything stopping you from hopping over and picking one up as a souvenir?

BlackIce_GTS 04-28-2011 01:17 AM

Probably not? If I picked them up at Cabela's, I would have already paid for them over the internet, so I wouldn't even have to declare them at the border. Probably.
Firearms-related legal infractions are serious stuff, so I want to ask around a little first.

Oh, and they're 10$ a piece at Cabela's, if anyone knows somewhere else I could get them it would probably be a lot cheaper.

MT2008 05-06-2011 01:47 PM

I'm not going to encourage you to break the law, but...if there is a law against owning .50 BMG dummy rounds in Canada, it sounds pretty difficult to enforce. :D But there is obviously a huge difference between the U.S. having a law against export of these rounds (which affects only U.S. citizens) vs. Canada having a law against possession. If the former is the only thing stopping you, then I don't think it would be illegal for you to find a gun show across the border and pick some up.

Totally unrelated, but I own two dummy .50 rounds. Got 'em for $1 at a gun show about 10 years ago. They were a neat little souvenir, but if there are legal issues to consider in Canada, I can tell you that they're nothing too special. Mine mostly just sit in a locked box with my pistol ammo and I don't take them out much.

MoviePropMaster2008 05-07-2011 06:00 AM

Why in the HELL would anyone ban dummy rounds? Even the People's Republik of Kalifornia doesn't do that. :confused:

Gunmaster45 05-07-2011 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by MoviePropMaster2008 (Post 28702)
Why in the HELL would anyone ban dummy rounds? Even the People's Republik of Kalifornia doesn't do that. :confused:

I suppose in theory you could refill the round with powder and replace the primer. But then again, if you can get powder and primers, you can probably get real ammo anyway.

I try to avoid buying dummy rounds, if I want duds I just deactive the rounds myself. Pull the heads, fire the primer off in a gun, then press the head back in with a vice with some super glue around the rim.

Rockwolf66 05-07-2011 07:18 AM

You can't Re-activate dummy .50 caliber rounds as they have no primer hole and they have three about a quarter inch holes drilled in the cartrige case.

Evil Tim 05-07-2011 10:02 AM

They probably fall under some Scary Gun Law. I mean, since everyone knows that the .50 BMG round posesses powers completely at odds with all known principles of ballistics and Newtonian physics and can flip over train carriages and obliterate game animals, even a deactivated one is probably capable of killing millions of people in the hands of some n'er-do-well.

MT2008 05-07-2011 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gunmaster45 (Post 28703)
I try to avoid buying dummy rounds, if I want duds I just deactive the rounds myself. Pull the heads, fire the primer off in a gun, then press the head back in with a vice with some super glue around the rim.

Yeah, but .50 BMG is way too expensive for that. I did a quick Google search and found one retailer selling 100 rounds for $300 (though I can't claim to know any better deals, since I don't shoot .50-cal and have never tried to buy that ammo). If you don't own or shoot a .50 BMG rifle, it makes a lot more sense to just buy dummies that someone else has made from expended brass. The two dummy .50 rounds I own cost me a dollar - it was a two-for-one deal, which is common at gun shows.

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Originally Posted by Rockwolf66 (Post 28704)
You can't Re-activate dummy .50 caliber rounds as they have no primer hole and they have three about a quarter inch holes drilled in the cartrige case.

I don't think mine do. I'm not at my place right now, but when I get home, I'll take them out and check to see if they have those holes. Do you mean in the side of the case?

Krel 05-07-2011 11:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MoviePropMaster2008 (Post 28702)
Why in the HELL would anyone ban dummy rounds? Even the People's Republik of Kalifornia doesn't do that. :confused:

Well, they are prettly long. Maybe they are afraid that you will stab someone with one.

David.


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