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Hchris 02-06-2015 09:56 PM

Ok, please let me do another suggestion then with your opinions taken into account:

OLD NAMES --> NEW NAMES

45 mm anti-tank gun M1937 (53-K) --> no changes

37-mm M1939 (61-K) --> 37 mm automatic air defense gun M1939 (61-K)

5 cm Pak 38 --> no changes

7.5 cm Pak 40 --> 7,5 cm Pak 40

FlaK 38 --> 2 cm Flak 38


This way it would be shorter, and the dashes are removed.

Is this acceptable?

Btw how can I change the page names? Do I have the needed authorizations or can only admins do it?

If I can do it myself, would you please be so kind and post a brief description how to?

Thanks

Hchris 02-07-2015 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hchris (Post 41658)
Ok, please let me do another suggestion then with your opinions taken into account:

OLD NAMES --> NEW NAMES

45 mm anti-tank gun M1937 (53-K) --> no changes

37-mm M1939 (61-K) --> 37 mm automatic air defense gun M1939 (61-K)

5 cm Pak 38 --> no changes

7.5 cm Pak 40 --> 7,5 cm Pak 40

FlaK 38 --> 2 cm Flak 38


This way it would be shorter, and the dashes are removed.

Is this acceptable?

Btw how can I change the page names? Do I have the needed authorizations or can only admins do it?

If I can do it myself, would you please be so kind and post a brief description how to?

Thanks

Anyone please? I have a lot of stuff prepared and would like to get started.

Spartan198 02-07-2015 09:10 PM

Shorten automatic air defense in 37 mm M1939 to AAA (to make the name shorter), since it's generally accepted to mean "Automatic Anti-Air", and I'm fine with that. Similarly, we could shorten anti-tank gun in 45 mm M1937 to AT for the reason that it's a generally accepted acronym for "Anti-Tank".

The 7.5 in 7.5 cm Pak 40 should stay as it is because that's how it's done in American English, as this is an American website. I'm not a believer in policies of writing pages in the subject's "native" language format like Wikipedia has.

I'm fine with the rename from Flak 38 to 2 cm Flak 38.

Hchris 02-08-2015 05:22 PM

So after another review, how about this:

OLD NAMES --> NEW NAMES

45 mm anti-tank gun M1937 (53-K) --> 45 mm AT gun M1937 (53-K)

37-mm M1939 (61-K) --> 37 mm AA gun M1939 (61-K)

5 cm Pak 38 --> no changes

7.5 cm Pak 40 --> no changes

FlaK 38 --> 2 cm Flak 38

What do you think? Could somebody please change the page names to this?

Hchris 02-09-2015 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hchris (Post 41669)
So after another review, how about this:

OLD NAMES --> NEW NAMES

45 mm anti-tank gun M1937 (53-K) --> 45 mm AT gun M1937 (53-K)

37-mm M1939 (61-K) --> 37 mm AA gun M1939 (61-K)

5 cm Pak 38 --> no changes

7.5 cm Pak 40 --> no changes

FlaK 38 --> 2 cm Flak 38

What do you think? Could somebody please change the page names to this?



Ah found out how to do it, will change the pages according to your suggestions. Thanks for the input!

funkychinaman 02-09-2015 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hchris (Post 41678)
Ah found out how to do it, will change the pages according to your suggestions. Thanks for the input!

You're sticking with the weird European 2 cm (rather than 20 mm) but doing away with FlaK in favor of Flak?

Hchris 02-09-2015 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by funkychinaman (Post 41679)
You're sticking with the weird European 2 cm (rather than 20 mm) but doing away with FlaK in favor of Flak?

Yep, this is because it is the most common designation all around the Internet and discussion boards and also called officially that way. People who come here will search for 2 cm.

It is also standardize with the Pak guns which always used the same format.

If you like I can create redirects with mm for those guns?


I know there will be different opinions how this or that should be designated, but we have to find a compromise otherwise we can never make any progress.

I included all your other suggestions in the other guns, but People will always have different opinions.

I hope this is ok for you.


Btw I will work on the other guns the next few days and add even more. There is a ton of work ahead of me but I am almost finished with the 2 cm Flak 38 page (and all related pages).

MoviePropMaster2008 02-10-2015 03:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by funkychinaman (Post 41679)
You're sticking with the weird European 2 cm (rather than 20 mm) but doing away with FlaK in favor of Flak?

Europeans use 2cm but Americans (at least when I was in) use 20mm. If we have to set a standard, again, we can do what we did for titles. If there is any confusion or contention on the nomenclature, then being an AMERICAN site, we defer to the American standard. But of course, it is a European weapon then I defer to the original designation :D

funkychinaman 02-10-2015 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MoviePropMaster2008 (Post 41683)
Europeans use 2cm but Americans (at least when I was in) use 20mm. If we have to set a standard, again, we can do what we did for titles. If there is any confusion or contention on the nomenclature, then being an AMERICAN site, we defer to the American standard. But of course, it is a European weapon then I defer to the original designation :D

Well, we went with 7.5 cm rather than the European 7,5 cm, why not just go all the way with 75mm?

commando552 02-10-2015 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by funkychinaman (Post 41685)
Well, we went with 7.5 cm rather than the European 7,5 cm, why not just go all the way with 75mm?

The way I see it is that the "7,5 cm" was actually part of the designation of the weapon so it should be included in principle in that form, however I think that we should use a period rather than a comma as this is the equivalent of converting a Cyrillic Russian designation into a Latin alphabet one. After all, in English "7.5 cm" is a sensical dimension but "7,5 cm" isn't and to most native English speakers would seem strange and most likely be perceived as a typo.

Also, with the German designations I am in favour of capitalising the K in PaK and FlaK, as this is essentially the same as what we do for other German weapons like the MKb 42(H), StG 44, StG 45(M), MP 40 and MG 42.


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