Bought an Interarms Walther PPK in stainless steel. Not in the best shape, but I paid a fair price for it, and it wouldn't cost too much time or money to get the gun blasted and back up to 100 percent finish condition. I felt obligated to buy the gun after the shopkeep was such a bro to me in appreciating my knowledge and particular nature with handguns. The G rated version of what he said was that you have to be particular with "guns and women".

I can't seem to find a reliable source for Walther PPK mags or replacement finger rests, though. Anyone have any ideas?

Just puttin' the word out: there are a BUNCH of Manurhin MR-73's on gunbroker right now. Looks like someone got ahold of a lot of them

http://www.gunbroker.com/Revolvers/B...words=Manurhin

I noticed that too; if I had $600 lying around I would definitely get one, I hear those things are nearly indestructible.

I got 3 boxes of 124 Grain standard pressure Federal HST for the P228, one to fire and two to keep for carry. Got 2 boxes of 95 Grain Speer Lawman TMJ for the PPK as well, one to fire and one to keep.

I finally got my Ranger Belt too after nearly 3 weeks (better than the 4 week lead time on the manufacturers website, but still). I would be upset if the belt wasn't fantastic, and if LaRue Tactical didn't include a bunch of free swag including:

7 oz bottle of Dillo Dust dry rub

Beverage Entry Tool (Dillo shaped bottle opener, cute)

Business card with a very silly warranty anecdote on the back

10th Annual International Sniper Competition DVD

A quaint Happy Holidays card

3 Copies of the U.S. Constitution

And 2 Bumper Stickers that read "Extremely Right Wing" and "God Bless Our Troops, Especially Our Snipers", which I will not use, but appreciate

I am literally a set of grips and a range trip away from making the P228 a useable EDC gun. I totaled up the investment in the gun including magazines, spare parts, ammo and carry accessories, and lets just say I could have bought an AR-15 by the time I was done. A nice one. Worth every penny in my eyes. I plan on getting an EDC pic in when everything is together.

Bought a Glock 19 OD frame for a pretty decent price from a place with a Black Friday sale. I hate the whole concept of Black Friday but I cant deny that theyre some good deals out there.

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New grips

2 Korean AK mags for the SKS

Intrafuse stock for the SKS

I'm waiting for my Smith and Wesson M&P-15 Sport to show up. Very eager to try out this "budget" rifle.

And here is my new rifle.

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yum, I have a hard on for the older S&W automatics after I bought my 3913.

I maed dis


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I'm tempted to ask to trade; I want a 3913 as a carry piece, but I wuvs my 459 :p

Made a post in here, forum says I made a post here, and the forum doesn't show me the friggin' post


I reckon it's trying to gaslight me


EDIT: Oh, NOW it shows up

The 3913 is not dimensionally different enough from full size S&W autos to yield a real world difference in concealment or comfort of carry, unless you've determined that less than a half of an inch off the length and height will matter. How do you want to carry it?

I would disagree with that, as not only does it have the shorter barrel it also has a smaller grip spur, no external hammer spur, narrower (single stack) and shorter grip, weighs about half a pound less and lower profile sights (compared to some other Smiths like the 459). All together, it is smaller, lighter and less snag-able than a full size S&W auto.

Hammer snag and the size of the sights are not concerns of physically carrying the gun, but drawing it. I suppose that the 3913 is more snag proof, but my point was that the size reductions of the gun are not enough to make any discernible difference for the actual carrying of the gun, or the comfort in carry.

Aside from the half inch length off the front and the grip, the other reductions are roughly 2/10ths of an inch all around, including the grip width. The window where the 3913 would be permissible where the full size gun would not be is very, very small, and if the full size gun doesn't work when the 3913 does, it's as simple as changing your wardrobe or getting a better holster.

I will concede that perhaps the narrowing of the grip combined with the narrowing of the slide stop may reduce the pressure of the slide stop digging into someone carrying the gun, but this does not address the concealment issues that will still be present. You have to be a very particular person with a very discriminatory body type to where 2/10ths of an inch matters with regard to a gun being seen or not.

I've just come to understand that the "compact" versions of guns are not much smaller than their full size counterparts, and will typically bear the same issues as their bigger brothers. In carrying my P228 off and on, and trying out new methods of carry, I see how it fails in a lot of the ways that its full size counterpart would. I still like it because it's cool, but I still think a P226 would conceal the the exact same level of adequacy, and give me 2 extra rounds.

The thing is though, it isn't only the grip width that is different, it is a number of factors that combine together to make it a more comfortable and practical carry gun (for some people at least). Just roughly, by picking a 3913 over a 5906 for example you get a 40% reduction in weight (unloaded weight, functionally more when you consider it has less rounds in it), 20% reduction in grip width, and 10% reductions in the height and total length.

If you are going somewhere where you need a full size double stack then fine, but this is not the case the majority of the time. To me it seems that an 8 round mag will be more than sufficient for most self-defence situations, and carrying something over and above this is just wasted effort.

I want a 3913 simply because I want a friggin' 3913. If I absolutely have to justify why I'd want to carry it over my 459, I guess it's because the 3913 would be easier to shoot, weighs less, has better sights, doesn't have some weird blue/black finish that I'm worried about rusting, and is more the size I prefer. I don't care if you want to carry around a full sized/"compact" handgun; I prefer something a little smaller that is not a revolver or a pocket pistol.

I won't argue the weight compared to a full steel 5906, but we're talking about another alloy framed gun, which is only 5 ounces more unloaded. When you add up the ammo, then yes, there's about a half a pound difference, but a proper holster/belt setup will compensate for that.

Using percentages doesn't change the fact that it's still 2/10ths of an inch off the grip, which won't realistically make a difference. Half an inch of muzzle at least coming down from a full size to a compact, won't make a difference in IWB or Appendix modes in my experience, unless you are really tall.

I will admit my bias with regard to double stack handguns, but it's not unfounded. More rounds is always better in a gunfight, big or small. I also don't like rationalizing carrying smaller guns with less rounds because statistics say that gunfights typically involve X rounds. For one, you don't want to give credence to GCAs who what to ban high capacity magazines on the grounds that SD shootings don't require multiple rounds, according to those statistics. More to the point, though, you don't keep an umbrella for a drizzle, you keep it for hard rain, because that's when you really need it, cause that's when you're gonna get wet. Likewise, you should carry the biggest, most combat effective weapon on your person that you can, because you don't know how many rounds it will take to end your altercation. In short, don't nerf preparedness without just cause (and statistics are not just cause).

There are good reasons to carry a smaller gun, though. I carry my snub more often than the SIG because the Florida heat makes me sweat like hell and keeps me from wearing proper cover garments. The snub is stainless and hides perfectly in my pocket. If it's between two automatics of roughly the same size though, I say pick a gun smaller than both, or go for the bigger one, cause there isn't any realistic concealment difference between the full size or the compact in my experience.

I'm just passing on my experience to help you make an objectively good decision for your carry gun. As to your new points, what you want is not what's actually good for you. You've made buying mistakes based on momentary wants, and so have I (on my 2nd Hi-Power, and about to sell a PPK I have shot once), and I'm here to tell you, it's better to really consider something. I don't see how the smaller gun would be easier to shoot either. The sights would be better, and the finish, that's the best reason for a switch for sure. I forgot you live in Texas, and the heat and your sweat would rot the bluing right off the 459 quick. Still, why not just get a 669/6906, stomach the extra ~6 ounces, the minute extra width, and have 4 extra rounds? That's what I'd do. After trying out a 659/5906 first.

And for the record, the 3913 is technically a "compact". It's single stack, but it's dimensions put it in the same bracket as my P228. You are, in fact, looking at carrying a compact gun, it;s just slimmer (which, in my experience, doesn't matter, as I've said). Do what you feel, though, but I have put in my two cents for what it's worth.

I already got one o' them 6906's


Anyhow, I'm looking at getting a shotgun again because my father wants to trade me one for the Redhawk (which I only have because he needed a shotgun for a family friend and I was willing to trade the Winchester 1300 I had for it just to help him out). I don't really have any problem with trading again, since I reckon I'll get way more use out of a 12 gauge than a big-ass .44

Man, I tried the DA pull on the PPK a while back, and it was worse than the 459

The trigger is just fine, but some of the parts aren't fit absolutely perfectly, there are a few aesthetic issues with it, and it is not comfortable to shoot at all, even though the gun shoots fairly decent groups. I would like to own a PPK, just not this one. Hopefully down the line I can snag one with dual serial numbers on the slide and frame.

I'd want a Walther TPH if shooting it didn't mean getting slide-bit. Oh well, Buckmark it is....

Just bought a Smith & Wesson Model 29 with 8 3/8 inch barrel. I'm going to buy either a .45ACP pistol or jump to .357 Magnum to build up to the Model 29.

S&W Model 4506--->S&W Model 686--->S&W Model 29

:D

Going to buy an 1911A1 next (probably Rock Island Armory). Trying to decide between going for half lug Ruger GP100, a Smith & Wesson Model 19-5, or 586/686. I'm leaning towards one of the first two (the GP100(s) with half lubeing $650 plus $50 shipping & $550 with unknown shipping, the 19-5(s) being $395 plus $25 shipping, $565 plus $35 shipping, $595 plus $25 shipping).

686. Trust me, it's worth the money (think of it as an investment); I've had one for nearly a decade, and I've not shot, handled, or seen a better revolver

I'm assuming since you're mentioning the 19s with shipping costs that you're going to buy them online. If you get a 19, get a -4 or before. It should be about the same cost, and it will have a pinned barrel, which will give you extra cool points, which is what revolvers are all about. If you want a more functional revolver, get a 686 (early vintage, no key locks or MIM parts or all that crap) and enjoy the stainless steel finish. Additionally, the compromise between cool and function is the 66, the stainless steel version of the Model 19, but again, get an early vintage to lock in those cool points if you want them. Be sure to look for guns that have the flash chromed hammer and trigger and not the case colored ones too.

Thanks but for the most part I prefer blued firearms (the 686 and 66 were both stainless steel right?). Though that being said I did see a great looking (SS/Nickel finish aside) 686 at a Cheaper Than Dirt for $740.

I want to buy a cheap pistol caliber carbine.

Right now I am thinking from expensive down is an AR in 9mm, Beretta Cx4 Storm, or the Sub 2000.

I want the Sub 2000 that takes S&W 59 mags, so I can have me a truck gun

I was thinking of just getting the Sub2K that takes the Glock mags. Would be kinda cool if they made one that is is 10mm or .45 ACP

I'd go for that one if I didn't have 2 guns that already take 59 pattern mags. A Sub 2000 with a bunch of 33-rounders would be sweeeeeeeet


A .45 Sub 200 that takes 15-round FNX-45 mags would be really cool

I was thinking about getting a "pistol" AR in 9mm and put the SIG SB-15 on it.

Yeeessssssssss

Yeah, it's gonna be sweet once I buy it after my next couple pay checks.

[quote=Excalibur;40691]I was thinking of just getting the Sub2K that takes the Glock mags. Would be kinda cool if they made one that is is 10mm or .45 ACP[/QU]

Technically for the 10MM or .45ACP you could go for a Roni carbine-pistol system...though you'd have to shell out roughly $340 for the carbine part and $500-$600 for a Glock or a SIG, dunno if there are models for pistols by other companies than those two. Hi-Point makes a .45ACP complete carbine for $341 (@Buds) but i think the mags are kinda on the small side. I thought about doing the former once but backed off due to the combined price...and I'm major cheapass sometimes.

[quote=CGB92Fan;40757]Don't you also need a tax stamp for a Roni?

Yeah, I ain't paying uncle sugar for a stamp for my right to own a firearm.

Anyone know how many rounds of 125 grain .357 Magnum ammunition a Model 19/66 can fire before damage occurs? I keep trying to look it up and all find is 125 grain being the model 66 & 19's kryptonite. Anyway it's really pushing me towards the 586/686 series or the GP100...

I remember seeing a table that showed different variations of the Model 19/66, how many rounds had been fired, and which guns had experienced forcing cone cracks. Many of the guns saw thousands of rounds before cracking, and some still hadn't cracked after thousands of rounds. In all likelihood, it will never happen if you shoot 125 grain rounds. I've also read that the Model 66 is especially resilient to this Achilles heel, as the quality of their stainless steel is higher than that of the blued carbon steel guns. It's not hard to find 158 grain loads either, or to shoot just .38 Special through the gun either.

I understand the paranoia though, and I'd just as easily vouch for a 586/686 too, as long as they aren't recent production. If you're relegated to recent production guns, the GP100 is probably the way to go.