Fictional firearms
 

Among the reqirements to create a page for a fictional weapon are these rules: If they are fictional weapons built upon a real firearm, and :If the weapon (for any reason) would lead the general public to believe that it is a real firearms or based on one.

Considering thaat, I think some of the pages should be deleted. Here's what I think should go:

http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/%28Ae..._Trooper_Rifle
It isn't based on a real weapon, and I don't see anyone thinking that it is real of based on a real gun. Besides, the page admits it's a CGI and plastic weapon

All the District 9 weapons, they don't have any real gun under the plastic shell and noone is going to mistake them for real guns.

The BFG9000 should stay, if only because it's cool.

http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/%28Fa...ing_Missile%22
Ok. so its looks kind of real, but it's just plastic, no base weapon

http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/%28Me...%22Red_Club%22
This thing can't be based of anything real, and looks more like a flare pistol or something.

Waht do you all think?

We also have a problem with people posting fictional weapons pages like Aliens Resurrection and someone wants to redo the Halo page

I'm torn on that. The Gatling Gun Rifle from Aeon Flux walks the fine line. People 'could' think it is based on a real weapon and thus should be represented as something they could check on. Remember that the requirement that 'someone COULD think that it is based on a real weapon' is very flexible for people who don't have the same depth of knowledge as many of our experienced members.

What I don't like are fictional guns which are artwork. Guns from ANIME or Videogames can be anything. Seriously. The artist has free reign to do whatever they want .... create any idiotic hybrid that they want. The difference is that in movies and TV, someone had to BUILD the prop, so it's either real or based on a real gun or complete fantasy. But in Anime & VG, an artist just has to think it up and draw it. Whoopie Doo! Even if the weapon is based on a real gun, I don't think the general public would ever care, nor wonder if it was.

We're here to dispel myths, rumors and falsehoods. This started as the FILM weapon database and it was supposed to dispel urban myths about movie guns.

I'm for eliminating any fictional weapon listing that is not a 3 dimensional prop (that is except for items that are really famous and firmly embedded in the public mind, like the BFG). Thoughts?

I'm for getting rid of all fictional weapons period. But that's just me.

Im cool with fictional weapons based on a base gun, like "Vera" in firefly is a saiga 12 under all the cosmetics.

Apparently on the Halo discussion page, someone said that there is no rule on not posting fictional firearms.

No seriously, we have a lot of contradictions on this site. We have Ghost in the Shell where the first weapon on the page isn't a real gun, though it's "Based" on the P90 and now we got people wanting to make a Halo page again.

Then again Aliens Resurrection has a complete page despite none of the guns are real and based on flash blub tech. Where do we draw the line on guns that don't exist and making pages to satisfy our ego about a game, or movie we really like and really want the fictional guns from it on this site? Or people will start putting Mass Effect and Borderlands on this site.

Dude, you're an Admin. If you see that kinda shit, you're free to delete it.

But the problem is that it's between the line of not a real gun, but also it does have a lot of basis on a real gun. But Then Aliens Resurrection is another problem to me. MPM restored the page, but honestly it's not even a well done page like Ghost in the Shell. It doesn't have caps for most of the guns or just one small one. It just seems very unimpressive.

I get that I can delete it, but if people makes snarky comments and then tries to point out that I am rude saying fanboys should go to hell, it kinda sets me back

The reason is TWO of the rules for Fictional Weapons:
"If they are fictional / hypothetical weapons which may exist in real life but (so far does not)."
"If the weapon (for any reason) would lead the general public to believe that it is a real firearms or based on one. "

Now I don't disagree that the Alien Resurrection page is weak, but there are many weaker pages which should be deleted before that one is. But why I think it needs to be on IMFDB is primarily, when the film came out, a LOT of people thought the weapons were based or built on real guns. That type of confusion is the reason WHY IMFDB exists, to dispel myth and rumor from fact. One person (in the business) mistakenly told me that the main rifle used in the film was built on a Cobray CM11 Carbine, which I actually believed because I could see how the 9mm long barreled M11 carbine could fit into the shell of the gun. So for a long time, I thought the main rifle was built on a Cobray gun. And I can't tell how many people (when the film came out) thought that the take down shotgun used by the guy in the wheelchair was a real firearm. So if not to correct movie trivia regarding firearms (on a REAL MOVIE, not some anime or videogame), then why have IMFDB at all? :)

Just my 2 cents. :)

I'm all for deleting the ANIME entries. Like WTF? Like anyone is going to wonder what gun a piece of artwork is based on? Same thing for VGs except for the BFG because it has appeared in actual films.

Hey, I did a LOT of work on Black Lagoon and if you have seen the page, you can tell these aren't chicken scratch drawings like South Park or Simpsons.

People have asked me about guns in anime and video games. Why not video games?

And did anyone disparage the QUALITY of the anime artwork? uh. NO.

The point was that a work of ART is not subject to anyone 'wondering' what gun platform the fictional weapon was based on. Any fictional GUN is up to the artists' imagination and frankly, I don't see anyone seriously wondering if any fantasy looking weapon is based on a real one.

The only guns that should be listed from Anime are those which are based on real guns. But it's just so ridiculous that anyone would post a fictional weapon from an anime source. The entire point of the fictional gun section was to educate the public as to what it was based on, built upon, or if it is completely made up special effects prop.

But none of the guns in most of the animes are fictional. There might be one here and there but the same thing apply to guns like Hellboy's Samaritan. It isn't a real gun, but might have been based on one.

I also have a problem with some of the guns posted in anime that aren't real or based on anything real, but since we don't have a don't post fictional weapons if they are not real, people do it anyway.

I mean, if a gun looks like this:

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i1...utlass9mm2.jpg

It's fine, because it's a real gun.

You're arguing over something which no one disagrees with. I said remove the very few FICTIONAL weapons that are from ANIME (from the fictional guns list), not the real guns.

http://www.imfdb.org/images/1/11/Mezzof_gun_stash.jpg

Well, I think we have resolved this issue .... in a really painful and convoluted manner that is......:D

I think that fictional weapons should be restricted to the article/movie they appear in and they should not get their own individual page. I mean why would you make a separate page for a weapon that is only going to appear in a single film/series.

But then this guy, Stan the man said that there's no rules that specifically prohibits fictional weapons and it would be best to have them on the site to point out that they are not real. How do I respond to that logic?

Tell him to stfu because you are an admin which makes you right. Since you are an admin he has no right to argue with you. He is just some nub in his basement so his opinion doesn't matter.

Well I don't want to seem like a rude asshole with the feeling of my cock's bigger than yours because I got admin power

Ok here is what is bothering me right now.

What do we do about pages for weapons that are just fictional varients of real weapons and the weapon in question is just a real weapon with a couple of things added to make them seem futuristic. Personally with weapons like those notes on the real weapon's page works for me. We don't need pages for dressed up weapons that you can instantly tell what they are.

Well, I have a bias, working in the industry, but it's cool to see what REAL GUN was used to build a fictional weapon. And it's interesting to know what real gun, if any, was used as the platform for a completely fabricated sci fi weapon. Also it's good to be able to educate the public that something which may seem real, is in fact, not.

But drawn fictional guns are ridiculous. The public will never care because the artist has so much leeway, plus it doesn't exist in real life. A real 3 dimensional 'I can hold it in my hands' prop is much more deserving of a page to tell people its genesis than a drawn prop.

That I completely agree with. Drawn fictional guns are not necessary because they are based on nothing. Same with sci fi guns in Halo even though they shoot bullets, but have no basis on real life guns at all.


But apparently we don't have an official rule on fictional guns so I think we should do it.

What I am refering to is guns like the Serenty Mateba revolver. Very little has been done to disguise the fact that it's a Mateba. The Taurus used by mal is a whole nother matter because the prop effectivly covered the entire gun. That is what IMPO the Fictional Firearms pages should be used for... Those firearms that you could never guess what the host weapon was if you knew little to nothing about firearms.

I'm just going to throw some kerosene on the smoldering embers of the Halo problem and mention... the handgun is sorta kinda maybe a bit based off a real weapon. The grip is that of a P99, at the very least.

The developers had openly said in an interview that their assault rifle had a coincidence resemblance to the F2000, but it was not intentional. They didn't say anything about anything else

Hey, doesn't the M41 Pulse Rifle have an ammo readout too?
Could be the Halo AR is a mashup.
Marathon AR, M41 Pulse Rifle, FN F2000...
Too bad it shoots so poorly for a CARBINE in 7.62x51.

The ammo reader has popped up in other sci fi games too. In Starcraft we see a cutscene of a Marine firing his rifle at the Zerg had an ammo counter on it.

I wouldn't call the Halo assault rifle MA5 series a mash up with the M!41A Pulse Rifle because it looks nothing like it. It just got an ammo counter that most likely was inspired by the pulse rifle.

It's really annoying that it DOES shoot a 7.62 and is inaccurate as hell and when fired, it has somewhat light sounding gun shots. the Halo 3 version of the rifle was a bit more accurate