I need gun Ideas
 

Hey all I need some gun ideas for a writing project. The synopsis is that an average blue collar guy gets sucked through time and space while out to do some weekend shooting.

I'm going to need:

A .22lr Pistol

A .22lr Rifle

a Revolver

Two handguns

A Shotgun

A .308 rifle

a Black Rifle of some kind.

Please don't sugest anything too expensive or unusual. Think of what a 25 year old guy would possibly own.

Ruger Mk II

Ruger 10/22


Glock 21

S&W 380 Bodyguard

Maverick 88

Remington 700

DPMS AR-15

Police trade in Model 10 or an older pawn shop special Ruger Blackhawk in .44 Magnum.

Hope all the ammo in the world gets sucked in with him.

If he's trying to get something now .... forget it. If he's trying to buy any sort of ammo now ... forget it. I can get 30.06 and 243 Winchester and .300 Winchester Magnum all day (at super inflated prices) and that's about it........:mad:

Even four years ago, when I was in a Walmart in TEXAS, all they had left was .357 SIG.

I ment Ideas for not the actual physical firearms.


As far as Ammo goes he's not going to have very much until he gets the remnants of the local Civilization to reverse engineer the ammo and weapons.

AA conversion kit for glock 19
ruger 10-22
Glock 19
Smith and wesson 686p
Winchester model 70 .308
windham weaponry ar15 with aim point

for kicks a tokarev and a p64

Im biased in a few choices :)

I was just thinking about that a while ago, how hard would it be to make ammo if you were transported back in time with a modern firearm?
1) Bullets: Dead easy, lead and a mould
2) Powder: Gunpowder has been around for a very long time. Black powder would work, even if it's weak and smokey (right?). And if you're talking really far back in history, well, who doesn't know how to make gunpowder? It's just saltpeter and sulphur? and... Okay, the answer is me. I don't know how to make gunpowder. But it's not uncommon knowledge.
3) Brass: Reusable on a limited basis. I think it would be fairly difficult to make more. Even if you're somewhere/when that's technically capable of making the right metal in the right shape to acceptable tolerances, some random person who just popped out of a time vortex is going to have a difficult time finding someone with the ability and convincing them to cooperate.
Think about it, if some alien popped out of the warp right now and needed someone to make them some more 17.4x98pb hemi-toroidal brass for their model 9843 Zerx & Traxis, they would not have an easy time of it.
4) Primers: I have no idea how to make or substitute primers. I don't even know what 'fulminate' is.

It'd be a lot easier if you had a black powder firearm that just required lead balls like a Colt Navy or something. Many rounds today require smokeless powder and jacketed bullets. I don't think primers should be that hard once you figure out the formula. Are modern primers that different than the ones found two hundred years ago?

Oh well lets have some fun.

I tried to look at it realistically and what would both appeal to a 25 year old guy and what he could afford. Mix of used and new here.

A Browning Buckmark Camper pistol
A Marlin Model 60 rifle
Taurus Model 66 (.357 Magnum) revolver
Springfield XD in 40
Smith & Wesson Model 659
A Mossberg 12 gauge
A Savage Model 110 rifle .308 Winchester.

Well, loading a semi-auto or full auto weapon with black powder will still let it fire. The problem is that even if the action can be cycled by something that low pressure, it'll dirty it up extremely quickly. I wouldn't trust a machine gun to last beyond the first magazine without jamming even if it could reliably cycle under that pressure. Manually operated guns are much more tolerant, however, and you can pretty much freely load your revolver and bolt-action rifle ammo with homemade black powder as long as you can accept the change in ballistics and need to keep it clean.

The difference between old percussion caps and modern primers is mostly one of exact design and chemical composition. Early centerfire primers were like percussion caps in that they used fulminate of mercury and were literally nothing but modified percussion caps pressed into the back of a brass or copper tube, and black powder will reliably fire with it. Smokeless powder requires something that doesn't degrade rapidly in storage, so they added potassium chloride to the fulminate. The problem is that these old primers still ruin the brass, so no reloading. Reloadable brass is meant to use primers with a much more complex mixture of chemicals with varying composition. Modern non-corrosive primers use lead styphnate, and various components include powdered aluminum and tetracene, antimony trisulfide, barium nitrate, lead azide, etc.

As for smokeless powder, they're primarily nitrocellulose. Some of them add nitroglycerin, and other rounds (large caliber ammo for artillery size guns, mostly) adds nitroguanidine on top of that.

Basically, someone in the past COULD manufacture his own ammunition. The first issue is that you need to have access to the materials; black powder isn't hard to make, since you need potassium nitrate (saltpeter, easy to find under piles of manure), charcoal (burn some wood), and sulfur (harvested as crystals, or get them from those foul-smelling sulfur pools) and just grind it all together with non-sparking tools. Smokeless powder is more difficult: you need to make nitrocellulose at a minimum (by taking nitric acid, made from reacting nitrogen dioxide with water, and soaking it into wood or fibers), which requires chemistry knowledge. Adding nitroglycerin makes it even harder. Primers take that chemistry knowledge as well, along with the ability to manufacture easily crushed caps.

If you can't recycle your brass, you need the machines to draw solid brass into a single piece cartridge case. Then you need a mold for bullets and lead to provide it (which is quite easy to find in the past, especially in urban areas where they used it for damn near any metal bits like drains and roofs), plus a campfire to melt the lead. And then a full set of tools for making sure everything is the right size, measuring out powder, and pressing the bullet and primer in tightly.

Congratulations. You have now made a single round for your Glock!