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Spartan198 11-19-2019 04:00 PM

Arrowverse expansion
 
So, for anyone that doesn't know, this year's crossover, Crisis on Infinite Earths, will be retroactively canonizing a few past DC shows and movies, including the CW's Smallville, Birds of Prey (Tom Welling and Ashley Scott will be reprising their roles as Clark Kent and Helena Kyle from those shows in the crossover), and Black Lightning, Batman '89 (Jack Napier was stated to be The Joker's real name on an episode of Batwoman and Robert Wuhl, who played Alexander Knox, was reportedly seen on set filming with a newspaper depicting Michael Keaton's Bruce Wayne and the headline "Billionaire Bruce Wayne to Marry Socialite Selina Kyle" on the front page), and presumably Batman Returns by extension of the latter. Also, the 1990s Flash series was already retroactively canonized into the Arrowverse a few years ago.

So my question is, how should I go about modifying the Arrowverse template to reflect this extended canon? Should I add a section called "Retroactive Canon", "Extended Canon", or something like that, and list Smallville, Batman '89, and Batman Returns (Birds of Prey doesn't have a page here), or should I just leave the template to encompass only Arrow and the shows created in its wake? In the case of the former, I would only link to the main disambiguation page for Smallville rather than each individual season, mind you.

funkychinaman 11-20-2019 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Spartan198 (Post 44834)
So, for anyone that doesn't know, this year's crossover, Crisis on Infinite Earths, will be retroactively canonizing a few past DC shows and movies, including the CW's Smallville, Birds of Prey (Tom Welling and Ashley Scott will be reprising their roles as Clark Kent and Helena Kyle from those shows in the crossover), and Black Lightning, Batman '89 (Jack Napier was stated to be The Joker's real name on an episode of Batwoman and Robert Wuhl, who played Alexander Knox, was reportedly seen on set filming with a newspaper depicting Michael Keaton's Bruce Wayne and the headline "Billionaire Bruce Wayne to Marry Socialite Selina Kyle" on the front page), and presumably Batman Returns by extension of the latter. Also, the 1990s Flash series was already retroactively canonized into the Arrowverse a few years ago.

So my question is, how should I go about modifying the Arrowverse template to reflect this extended canon? Should I add a section called "Retroactive Canon", "Extended Canon", or something like that, and list Smallville, Batman '89, and Batman Returns (Birds of Prey doesn't have a page here), or should I just leave the template to encompass only Arrow and the shows created in its wake? In the case of the former, I would only link to the main disambiguation page for Smallville rather than each individual season, mind you.

I think we should leave it be. This is DC multiverse, and in theory, they can put every movie and series they ever had in canon if they wanted to.

Spartan198 12-10-2019 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by funkychinaman (Post 44835)
I think we should leave it be. This is DC multiverse, and in theory, they can put every movie and series they ever had in canon if they wanted to.

Yeah, I think you're right. I just finished Crisis Part II and so far they've canonized on-screen Batman '89 (albeit with the alteration that Joker didn't die at the end), Titans and by extension its own shared universe on the DC streaming service, Batman '66, Smallville, Superman Returns (Brandon Routh reprised his role, which was merged with the Kingdom Come version of Supes), and probably some others I may not have recognized. It was hinted on the aftershow that Batman & Robin was included as Earth-97 too, which would mean Returns and Forever are included. And we still have Ashley Scott's Huntress from Birds of Prey yet to appear. So at this point, it's safe to say that just about every DC movie and TV show past and present is on some alternate earth out there.

Except for maybe the DC Animated Universe, at least. And not because it's animated, since the Arrowverse has at least two animated series in Vixen and Freedom Fighters: The Ray. The version of Bruce Wayne that Kevin Conroy portrayed was decidedly not the one he voiced throughout the DCAU. It actually makes me kind of sad since this has been the quintessential Batman for me ever since I first watched BTAS.

I've already added Black Lightning to the template since it's a CW show and I might consider adding Smallville under a "See Also" section since it aired on basically the same network (unless someone here above me in the heirarchy explicitly says no), but aside from those and any new CW shows that come in the future, I'll leave it be because it could potentially become bigger than the shows' actual pages.

funkychinaman 12-10-2019 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Spartan198 (Post 44853)
Yeah, I think you're right. I just finished Crisis Part II and so far they've canonized on-screen Batman '89 (albeit with the alteration that Joker didn't die at the end), Titans and by extension its own shared universe on the DC streaming service, Batman '66, Smallville, Superman Returns (Brandon Routh reprised his role, which was merged with the Kingdom Come version of Supes), and probably some others I may not have recognized. It was hinted on the aftershow that Batman & Robin was included as Earth-97 too, which would mean Returns and Forever are included. And we still have Ashley Scott's Huntress from Birds of Prey yet to appear. So at this point, it's safe to say that just about every DC movie and TV show past and present is on some alternate earth out there.

Except for maybe the DC Animated Universe, at least. And not because it's animated, since the Arrowverse has at least two animated series in Vixen and Freedom Fighters: The Ray. The version of Bruce Wayne that Kevin Conroy portrayed was decidedly not the one he voiced throughout the DCAU. It actually makes me kind of sad since this has been the quintessential Batman for me ever since I first watched BTAS.

I've already added Black Lightning to the template since it's a CW show and I might consider adding Smallville under a "See Also" section since it aired on basically the same network (unless someone here above me in the heirarchy explicitly says no), but aside from those and any new CW shows that come in the future, I'll leave it be because it could potentially become bigger than the shows' actual pages.

Don't forget that Superman Returns was a direct sequel to the two Richard Donner Superman films.

Spartan198 12-11-2019 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by funkychinaman (Post 44854)
Don't forget that Superman Returns was a direct sequel to the two Richard Donner Superman films.

A commentator on YouTube also reminded me that the Green Hornet series is also linked due to its crossover episodes with Batman '66, and Tom Ellis reprised his role as Lucifer Morningstar from the Fox/Netflix show Lucifer in a cameo on Part 3.

And I'm only 12 minutes into Part 3, so who knows who else will show up. I just wish Adam West had lived long enough to be part of it. :(

funkychinaman 12-12-2019 07:07 PM

Well, regarding Batman '66 and crossovers...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHD_53UqBeA

Spartan198 12-14-2019 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by funkychinaman (Post 44857)
Well, regarding Batman '66 and crossovers...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHD_53UqBeA

Hogan's Heroes is Arrowverse canon. Nice. :cool:

Also, WTF? Batman and Robin just let a Nazi go free in Gotham City. Yes, I know he was totally inept, but still. Champions of justice, my ass!

funkychinaman 12-18-2019 01:29 PM

And the Addams Family.

http://stuffnobodycaresabout.com/201...window-cameos/

Spartan198 12-19-2019 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by funkychinaman (Post 44861)

This just keeps getting better. :D


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