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Excalibur 11-06-2017 11:51 PM

What if: Gate: Thus the JSDF fought got a US adaptation
 
I'm writing this because I'm bored at the office.

I know a lot of us aren't that active on here, but I hope some of us jump on into this idea that's been interesting me since I had discovered this series.

For those that don't know, we have this page http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Gate:_Thus...F_Fought_There

The summary explains most of it, though the trope website actually points out a lot of plot holes from why no US involvement due to the writer of the book being a bit of a far right-wing activist that wished for the US to leave Japan, but I'm not here to discuss that.


I want to discuss on what would a "perfect" adaptation of this concept into America would be like. We can throw down which director, actors, etc as we talk about it, but I think this concept is ok enough to be changed over to a completely different country without much changes. Hell, I think we can actually keep the main character a Japanese guy (be in Japanese-American this time) and add more to the cast.

The main part I liked to talk about is what weapons and equipment should be used for our side, and which branch of the US military will take a primary role on the other side of the gate?


Unlike the original book, they decided to use older style weapons and equipment for the first push into the other side of the Gate due to budget reasons. For America, I think with the world's largest military budget, we can afford sending the latest tech.

I'm gonna put it out there that no one jerks off to the US military more than Micheal Bay and after rewatching 13 Hours again, I think he'd be the perfect director with the right connections to this, though I think his movies trying to be more friendly with China would be a problem. In fact, a lot of Hollywood are trying to be China friendly to get all that money. Let's just assume he makes this movie without appeasing China because later in the story we have Russian and Chinese intelligence teams infiltrating and starting a fire fight.

For me, I'd keep Itami as a character, even going far to give him an American nickname of "Tommy" and because I favor the Marines, I want him to be a Marine, specifically in the Marine Raider Regiment since the original character was technically special forces. He's visiting Chicago for comic-con when it happened. The reason why comic-con instead of Anime probably because the genre still isn't as mainstream enough for the American audience to relate to. Also depending on which studio picks this up, there might be copyright characters to work around.

If Micheal Bay does get this role, then we can expect obligatory Salient Arms product placements in the hands of our characters. Though I would want Itami to be armed with something the Marine Raiders would use like the Daniel Defense MK 18s I keep seeing in the promotional videos.

Though, I actually like the director of Kong: Skull Island, who is said to direct the Metal Gear Solid movie and he's reportedly an Anime fan, so he might do this more justice.





So, anybody else got ideas for this crazy concept.

Just imagine US forces going up against Roman style soldiers and just wrecking them.

Spartan198 11-08-2017 02:01 AM

I doubt any of the 10" ARs being used by Raiders are actual Daniel Defense guns. Probably just CQBRs with Block II RIS handguards.

Mazryonh 11-08-2017 11:02 PM

An American adaptation? Like how Edge of Tomorrow was an Americanized version of All You Need is Kill?

The on-screen guns would be relatively easy to procure for a major studio, but who would play Rory Mercury? Given her relationship with the main character, I think it's likely that elements of her story would be toned down to appease the pro-censorship people.

Excalibur 11-09-2017 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Mazryonh (Post 43888)
An American adaptation? Like how Edge of Tomorrow was an Americanized version of All You Need is Kill?

The on-screen guns would be relatively easy to procure for a major studio, but who would play Rory Mercury? Given her relationship with the main character, I think it's likely that elements of her story would be toned down to appease the pro-censorship people.

I would say better than Edge of Tomorrow since that basically changed a lot of the characters from age and placement to adding their own little stupid story and then creating an ending to the war in the movie vs the war continuing in the original story.


Depending on what movie rating this could end up as, specific characters would have to be changed. I'd say get an actress that's young looking, can be charming and not token to the cast. If this was HBO, we could get away with using recent star power of actors. I can imagine Maisie Williams be Rory. She can definitely look young for the part. Though the real life prop of Rory's halberd needs to be smaller to be manageable

We could eliminate a few side characters to condense time and production, but I would rather have all the characters from the original represented.

If this was an HBO series, we could get away with sexual content to an extent and even blood guts and gore without much approval.

I'm really entertaining this idea based on how the anime was really lackluster when it came to portraying the action and violence.

Mazryonh 05-20-2018 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Excalibur (Post 43889)
Depending on what movie rating this could end up as, specific characters would have to be changed. I'd say get an actress that's young looking, can be charming and not token to the cast. If this was HBO, we could get away with using recent star power of actors. I can imagine Maisie Williams be Rory. She can definitely look young for the part. Though the real life prop of Rory's halberd needs to be smaller to be manageable

If this was an HBO series, we could get away with sexual content to an extent and even blood guts and gore without much approval.

I'm really entertaining this idea based on how the anime was really lackluster when it came to portraying the action and violence.

Thinking about this again, I think you missed my point about Rory. She's a bit of a cultural in-joke among the Japanese. Her name "Rory" is an actual name in English but it's also a pun on how looks like a "goth-loli" girl (i.e., a young woman who wears Gothic Lolita fashion and looks younger than 18 years of age) and yet is a demigod who's centuries old and ends up wanting to lose her virginity to Itami. The "moral guardians" in North America wouldn't hear of this, and the casting agency would probably end up casting an actress who is the same age as Itami's actor, losing some of the references behind Rory Mercury's name. That's the current wave of censorship for you.

Of course, if all you want is better action sequences, then that's easily done with the right director and funding, but then you might end up with fans of the original work who complain about the story being changed or condensed in a way they don't appreciate.

Excalibur 05-20-2018 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Mazryonh (Post 44328)
Thinking about this again, I think you missed my point about Rory. She's a bit of a cultural in-joke among the Japanese. Her name "Rory" is an actual name in English but it's also a pun on how looks like a "goth-loli" girl (i.e., a young woman who wears Gothic Lolita fashion and looks younger than 18 years of age) and yet is a demigod who's centuries old and ends up wanting to lose her virginity to Itami. The "moral guardians" in North America wouldn't hear of this, and the casting agency would probably end up casting an actress who is the same age as Itami's actor, losing some of the references behind Rory Mercury's name. That's the current wave of censorship for you.

Of course, if all you want is better action sequences, then that's easily done with the right director and funding, but then you might end up with fans of the original work who complain about the story being changed or condensed in a way they don't appreciate.

I thought so too. Thinking how an Americanized version would take away about of the original point of the story. The actual book was very nationalistic for Japan and even the writer wrote off why America didn't get involved in an actual attack on Japan by a foreign power. The defense treaty would been used regardless and we'd see a combined JSDF and US military presence in the story but there isn't.


I'm sure if this was adapted for America, they'd make it a satire of US military involvement in foreign lands as a negative instead of moral superiority of the Japanese military is portrayed in the Anime and book.

Mazryonh 06-02-2018 04:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Excalibur (Post 44329)
I thought so too. Thinking how an Americanized version would take away about of the original point of the story. The actual book was very nationalistic for Japan and even the writer wrote off why America didn't get involved in an actual attack on Japan by a foreign power. The defense treaty would been used regardless and we'd see a combined JSDF and US military presence in the story but there isn't.

I'm sure if this was adapted for America, they'd make it a satire of US military involvement in foreign lands as a negative instead of moral superiority of the Japanese military is portrayed in the Anime and book.

It's not uncommon for these kinds of stories to ignore or downplay American involvement. If you look at the wiki page for Brotherhood of War, a film based on the Korean War, only the North Korean and South Korean forces get much of a presence in that film despite the UN and ChiCom involvement. I don't know if you can call that "patriotism," but leaving viewers/readers with the impression that "it happened on our soil and we did all the work" isn't hard to find in this kind of story.

There's another reason Rory Mercury is a Japanese in-joke. "Rory" to them is pronounced more or less the same as "Loli," because they don't make much of a distinction between "L" and "R" sounds. So the pun (that Rory is a loli-type character) doesn't work much outside of Japanese.

As for what the "moral guardians" would say about characters like Rory, more especially if she were put into a live-action adaptation, I advise you to check out the passage from this article where a former Vogue Editor-in-Chief received a firestorm of protest about putting a model on the cover of a 2007 Vogue issue, photographed in a treehouse.

If that gets real-life people reaching for their torches and pitchforks, I don't know what Rory Mercury's plot elements, including what she planned to do with Itami, would provoke if they were more well-known.

Spartan198 06-02-2018 07:37 AM

If there were to an American adaption, I'd bet my last dollar that Rory is cut completely out of it.

Mazryonh 06-04-2018 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Spartan198 (Post 44343)
If there were to an American adaption, I'd bet my last dollar that Rory is cut completely out of it.

It might get made anyway if someone sees it as a way to stir patriotism, either American or Japanese. The author is a right-winger, and there is still nationalist sentiment in Japan. Is this video from Japan a cheering section for a fictional army (from a live event for Fate/Zero), or actually from a Japanese nationalist rally? If you didn't know what was going on you might not know the difference.

Also, remember how the Battleship movie had a Japanese character working with the American Naval forces? Someone might want to try that again with a live-action adaptation of this light novel too.

Can't disagree with you on Rory's potential for controversy though.

Excalibur 06-04-2018 03:28 AM

Most likely, they will probably combine all the female characters into one generic one to save casting and the low attention span of the general American audience that can't keep track of everyone.

Mazryonh 06-05-2018 03:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Excalibur (Post 44346)
Most likely, they will probably combine all the female characters into one generic one to save casting and the low attention span of the general American audience that can't keep track of everyone.

Low attention span? Isn't Game of Thrones one of HBO's biggest hits in a while, with a very large cast of characters? I think the general American audience can in fact handle a cast that large if they're invested.

But now you've got me thinking that the only trace of Rory in such an adaptation, since she's a politically-incorrect character, might just be a one-off shot of Rory's gothic lolita costume hanging in the closet of Itami's ex-wife to highlight "weird Japan" in a brief cameo.

Excalibur 06-05-2018 04:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Mazryonh (Post 44347)
Low attention span? Isn't Game of Thrones one of HBO's biggest hits in a while, with a very large cast of characters? I think the general American audience can in fact handle a cast that large if they're invested.

But now you've got me thinking that the only trace of Rory in such an adaptation, since she's a politically-incorrect character, might just be a one-off shot of Rory's gothic lolita costume hanging in the closet of Itami's ex-wife to highlight "weird Japan" in a brief cameo.

Game of Thrones is an entire series. That's general 10 episodes for the early seasons with at least an hour per episode. That's more than plenty of time to develop every character. Now if we make this idea into a multi-part HBO series, it would make sense

Avengers Infinity War got away with it because all characters were established in previous movies




Also, it would be debatable for the American adaption would Itami be Japanese or even an Anime Otaku. Even though Anime is becoming more main stream, it still isn't that well known like Comics, etc

S&Wshooter 06-08-2018 05:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Excalibur (Post 44348)
Also, it would be debatable for the American adaption would Itami be Japanese or even an Anime Otaku. Even though Anime is becoming more main stream, it still isn't that well known like Comics, etc

Finally, a film that brings some representation to the much neglected sweaty neckbeard community

Mazryonh 06-08-2018 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Excalibur (Post 44348)
Game of Thrones is an entire series. That's general 10 episodes for the early seasons with at least an hour per episode. That's more than plenty of time to develop every character. Now if we make this idea into a multi-part HBO series, it would make sense

Avengers Infinity War got away with it because all characters were established in previous movies

Also, it would be debatable for the American adaption would Itami be Japanese or even an Anime Otaku. Even though Anime is becoming more main stream, it still isn't that well known like Comics, etc

Your initial suggestion was that this adaptation take the form of an HBO series. Itami being Japanese might be less jarring if he was part of a multinational team of characters (maybe some training advisors?), just like in the Battleship film adaptation.

Besides, given that this is a live-action adaptation of the anime, you are certainly going to get your primary attention from the anime fans. Straying too far from the source material upsets those fans and tanks sales, like what happened with the live-action adaptation of Ghost in the Shell.

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Originally Posted by S&Wshooter (Post 44359)
Finally, a film that brings some representation to the much neglected sweaty neckbeard community

To be fair, the gaming, airsoft, and shooting communities are all occasionally stereotyped that way too.

Excalibur 06-09-2018 01:49 AM

Well not necessarily. Edge of Tomorrow basically didn't even tell us it was an adaptation of something Japanese and that didn't even have its own anime release to be based from.

I think in this case, I'm only taking the premise and some story elements from the original source and adapting it to fit the American setting.

I'm more or less going with the manga and the book since the anime tamed a lot of the harder elements and I didn't like it as much as I enjoyed reading the manga.

Keeping Itami Japanese limits our pool of actors to call on. I'm not looking for representation like today's SJW media. I would rather have good actors with a good script without forced agendas in placements. Like since Itami's team in the series included 2 women, I'm not going to cut them out, but unless we have an HBO style series, they and others will be under-developed.

Mazryonh 06-14-2018 04:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Excalibur (Post 44369)
Well not necessarily. Edge of Tomorrow basically didn't even tell us it was an adaptation of something Japanese and that didn't even have its own anime release to be based from.

I think in this case, I'm only taking the premise and some story elements from the original source and adapting it to fit the American setting.

I'm more or less going with the manga and the book since the anime tamed a lot of the harder elements and I didn't like it as much as I enjoyed reading the manga.

Keeping Itami Japanese limits our pool of actors to call on. I'm not looking for representation like today's SJW media. I would rather have good actors with a good script without forced agendas in placements. Like since Itami's team in the series included 2 women, I'm not going to cut them out, but unless we have an HBO style series, they and others will be under-developed.

A lot of people didn't like the Ghost in the Shell live action adaptation because the actress who portrayed Major Motoko Kusanagi wasn't Japanese or even recognizably East Asian. Technically, the writers could have hand-waved it since the Major is in essence a braincase and can wear any cyborg body with any appearance she chooses, but that didn't work out either. Changing Itami's ethnicity with live-action casting might be considered "yellow-face" again.

My guess is that the harder elements of Gate were censored by not including them in the script used for the anime adaptation in the first place, probably due in part to budgetary concerns.

Spartan198 06-14-2018 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Mazryonh (Post 44376)
A lot of people didn't like the Ghost in the Shell live action adaptation because the actress who portrayed Major Motoko Kusanagi wasn't Japanese or even recognizably East Asian.

The main complaints I've read revolved around the movie not asking the right "existential questions" that the manga and animes are known for.

That stuff has always been kind of above my head, though. Personally, I liked the movie and thought Johansson did a great job in it.

Excalibur 06-15-2018 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Mazryonh (Post 44376)
A lot of people didn't like the Ghost in the Shell live action adaptation because the actress who portrayed Major Motoko Kusanagi wasn't Japanese or even recognizably East Asian. Technically, the writers could have hand-waved it since the Major is in essence a braincase and can wear any cyborg body with any appearance she chooses, but that didn't work out either. Changing Itami's ethnicity with live-action casting might be considered "yellow-face" again.

My guess is that the harder elements of Gate were censored by not including them in the script used for the anime adaptation in the first place, probably due in part to budgetary concerns.

You don't understand adapting some thing into a different culture. If I was making a 1 to 1 remake of the show in Japan or in an Asian setting and made all the cast white, THAT'S a problem.

Ghost in the Shell is a very Japanese piece of fiction with no room to work without. All they really needed to do is change all the names from their Japanese names and set it in a place appropriate for the cast. Hell, they should have kept the setting since it's very Bladerunner like and not tell us where in the world they are located at and we'd have no problem at all, but they wanted to keep all the names, including the Major and convoluted a plot to why she's Japanese in a white woman's body.

Also, a lot of NON Japanese people were harping on the white washing thing. There wasn't a single outrage or complaint from the Japanese anime community about it. I'm not sure if it's racist for other people to be offended in place of those that are supposed to be offended but aren't.

I'm not calling my main character Itami and casting a black guy in his place. That's stupid. I'm changing the names and location and taking the general premise. The cast of the other world doesn't need changing. Instead of Tokyo, Japan. It's in Chicago and there are more white, blacks and Hispanics in Chicago than Asians. I know because I'm Chinese and I lived in Chicago.

If I am keeping him Japanese, then I'd need to pick an appropriate Asian actor and if I want to be honest, the pool of competent Asian actors is very small compared to other people. The only reason I'm thinking about Micheal B. Jordan is because of the recent Black Panther success and that he's secretly an Anime fan.

Mandolin 06-16-2018 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Excalibur (Post 44378)
You don't understand adapting some thing into a different culture. If I was making a 1 to 1 remake of the show in Japan or in an Asian setting and made all the cast white, THAT'S a problem.

Ghost in the Shell is a very Japanese piece of fiction with no room to work without. All they really needed to do is change all the names from their Japanese names and set it in a place appropriate for the cast. Hell, they should have kept the setting since it's very Bladerunner like and not tell us where in the world they are located at and we'd have no problem at all, but they wanted to keep all the names, including the Major and convoluted a plot to why she's Japanese in a white woman's body.

Also, a lot of NON Japanese people were harping on the white washing thing. There wasn't a single outrage or complaint from the Japanese anime community about it. I'm not sure if it's racist for other people to be offended in place of those that are supposed to be offended but aren't.

I'm not calling my main character Itami and casting a black guy in his place. That's stupid. I'm changing the names and location and taking the general premise. The cast of the other world doesn't need changing. Instead of Tokyo, Japan. It's in Chicago and there are more white, blacks and Hispanics in Chicago than Asians. I know because I'm Chinese and I lived in Chicago.

If I am keeping him Japanese, then I'd need to pick an appropriate Asian actor and if I want to be honest, the pool of competent Asian actors is very small compared to other people. The only reason I'm thinking about Micheal B. Jordan is because of the recent Black Panther success and that he's secretly an Anime fan.

Its also set in Hong Kong (heavy Western/British influence) and the Major turns out to be a Asian teen who got mindwiped and cyborged.

Mazryonh 08-06-2018 03:05 AM

Well what do you know, something similar to what the original poster proposed has already happened. South Korea recently made a live-action remake of Jin-Roh: The Wolf Brigade and called it Illang: The Wolf Brigade.

They adapted the story to fit South Korean history, altered the timeline to 2029, and essentially only left the Protect Gear, the MG42s, and the bare skeleton of the story to become more of an action piece than the original.

Too bad PistolJunkie (the principal editor for the Jin-Roh page) doesn't appear to be around anymore to comment on this one.


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