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Yournamehere 01-28-2011 01:31 AM

Something interesting about the Px4 Wiki page...
 
So I'm doing research on guns as I often do, and I decide to read up a bit on the Px4. Naturally, my first stop is Wiki since I know there's something about everything on there, but when I get to the page, I find something odd about the picture.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Px4_Storm.jpg

Link to page:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beretta_Px4

I know MPM2008 is very protective of his images, which is why I bring this up. MPM, did you authorize the usage of that, or post it on wiki yourself, or am I letting you know of potential compyright infringement? What's the situation buddy?

Rockwolf66 01-28-2011 03:25 AM

well check this one out

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:S%26W_M%26P_9mm.jpg

Looks tlike he's grabbed more than one image.

Yournamehere 01-28-2011 03:36 AM

Ah, I was looking for more than just the Px4, I guess there are more. MPM needs to let us know what's going on, if he's having his work stolen, or if he's making Wiki gun pages sexier.

Rockwolf66 01-28-2011 04:00 AM

as the person who posted the images claims the images are theirs/public domain I have to say that the images are stolden.

PS: MPM has some wikipedia liscenced stuff and it's copyrighted to him and atributed to him.

BurtReynoldsMoustache 01-28-2011 05:07 AM

This is one of those things that is really no big deal and nobody should care about it (for a variety of reasons) but knowing MPM (at least knowing him from his post history) he is not going to be happy about this.

MPM meltdown in 5...4...3...

PS: I can understand him being irked about this considering the massive amount of effort he put into those photographs, but hey it's the internet. Justified as he may be, realistically what can he do about it?

MoviePropMaster2008 01-28-2011 05:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BurtReynoldsMoustache (Post 24894)
This is one of those things that is really no big deal and nobody should care about it (for a variety of reasons) but knowing MPM (at least knowing him from his post history) he is not going to be happy about this.

Nice to know you think so little of theft of IP (intellectual property). Photographs are a BIG DEAL. Professional photographers have sued and received large settlements (but usually from large magazines etc.) On the net we need to keep some anonymous douchebag from claiming credit for something he had nothing to do with. Usually the photographer is happy just to have the image removed.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BurtReynoldsMoustache (Post 24894)
PS: I can understand him being irked about this considering the massive amount of effort he put into those photographs, but hey it's the internet. Justified as he may be, realistically what can he do about it?

Actually the Wikipedia mods are VERY cooperative regarding PIRATED intellectual property. And no I don't melt down. Wikipedia has already requested and GOT some pics of rare items which they KNOW barely exist on the net. I may have to 'release' more IMFDB licensed images to 'help them out' and to also keep them beholden to keeping us HAPPY.

These pics were shot for IMFDB and IMFDB only. I think more than a few IMFDB members like the fact that we have so many images that no one else on the net has.

BTW, thanks to all for pointing out the pirated pics. :D Remember, the only people who don't think anything of image theft are those who don't create anything worth stealing themselves :)

MoviePropMaster2008 01-28-2011 05:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rockwolf66 (Post 24891)
as the person who posted the images claims the images are theirs/public domain I have to say that the images are stolden.

PS: MPM has some wikipedia liscenced stuff and it's copyrighted to him and atributed to him.

Thanks guys. I reported the images to the Wikipedia mods. As I've said in the past, Wikipedia has been pretty good about not only deleting pirate images but BANNING the members who upload them. :)

Remember, WE'RE IMFDB. We must be gun sexier than any other site on the net!!!!!!! :D

MoviePropMaster2008 01-28-2011 06:08 PM

UPDATE: Wikipedia acts quickly :)
 
As I expected WIKIPEDIA immediately put a STOP to the piracy as I knew they would. Wikipedia's MODS are really diligent about protecting IP rights :D

Quote:

I have now marked the image for immediate deletion due to copyright violation. Additionally, I have isolated one more image uploaded by the same user and lifted from your site. I have also posted a stern warning on the user's talk page and alerted the administrators, asking them to delete all uploads by the same user:

OTRS has received notice (ticket 2011012810005509) from the original photographer that the copyrighted image Px4 Storm.jpg had been uploaded by User:Stockercd as his own. Further investigation shows that at least one more picture has been lifted from the original website (www.imfdb.org), which retains copyright. In addition to those two (which I have marked for speedy/copyio), the user has uploaded three more images, all related to guns. I believe it would be prudent to nuke those as well, as there seems to be a pattern of copy violations. I have notified the user.

Yours sincerely,
André Savik
Kudos to Andre and the others for being so diligent! And thanks to the IMFDB members who spotted the piracy to begin with. :D

BurtReynoldsMoustache 01-28-2011 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MoviePropMaster2008 (Post 24904)
As I expected WIKIPEDIA immediately put a STOP to the piracy as I knew they would. Wikipedia's MODS are really diligent about protecting IP rights :D

Meanwhile this article...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defecation_postures

...goes marching on undeleted.

Zulu Two Six 01-28-2011 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BurtReynoldsMoustache (Post 24905)
Meanwhile this article...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defecation_postures

...goes marching on undeleted.

why did you waste your time looking that up?

BurtReynoldsMoustache 01-29-2011 12:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zulu Two Six (Post 24908)
why did you waste your time looking that up?

It was featured on another site about dumb wikipedia articles.

ManiacallyChallenged 01-29-2011 07:38 AM

That takes my respect of Wikipedia to whole new heights, actually.
As they say, everybody poops.

MoviePropMaster2008 01-29-2011 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BurtReynoldsMoustache (Post 24905)
Meanwhile this article...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defecation_postures

...goes marching on undeleted.

BRM, you're getting douchier by the day.... not enough fiber in your diet or something? :D

MoviePropMaster2008 01-29-2011 09:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ManiacallyChallenged (Post 24925)
That takes my respect of Wikipedia to whole new heights, actually.
As they say, everybody poops.

Well it IS knowledge and the more important thing (which BRM seems to miss) that unless it is PIRATED I.P. then it's okay to be there. Child behaviorists, psychologists or even medical doctors view and are aware of such 'wealth of information'. You don't have to look for it, it you don't want to see it.

BeardedHoplite 01-30-2011 01:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MoviePropMaster2008 (Post 24897)
Remember, WE'RE IMFDB. We must be gun sexier than any other site on the net!!!!!!! :D

Why does this remind of that one part in Dr. Strangelove where the Russian ambassador says "We couldn't allow a doomsday gap" ?

"We can't allow a sexiness gap"

ManiacallyChallenged 01-30-2011 09:30 AM

Half of all Japanese public toilets are the trough/pit whatever you call them toilets.
Designed for squatting, you see. So that article was a good read.

BurtReynoldsMoustache 01-30-2011 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MoviePropMaster2008 (Post 24939)
BRM, you're getting douchier by the day.... not enough fiber in your diet or something? :D

I am rubber and you are glue words bounce off me and stick to you. :p

MT2008 01-30-2011 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MoviePropMaster2008 (Post 24896)
These pics were shot for IMFDB and IMFDB only. I think more than a few IMFDB members like the fact that we have so many images that no one else on the net has.

Of course I love the fact that we have such awesome pics, and that we were the first place to have them. But I'm not nearly as enthusiastic about the idea that they're exclusively for our use. I would be perfectly fine with other sites using some of our images as long as they credited us (which is what the person on Wikipedia who used the Px4 pics failed to do). But since I didn't take the pics myself, it's not my call.

Also, while I don't agree with Burt that the 'Net is some free-for-all where anything that can be downloaded is fair game for limitless distribution, I do think he's got a point that it's not going to be easy to clamp down on everyone who tries to use our images. As IMFDB gets more popular (which has been the trend of the last 3 years that I've been here), more people are going to see our gun images, not read our rules, and try to download them for use on their own sites. We can control a handful of Wikipedia users who upload our images without permission, but we won't be able to handle hundreds of users who post our images on other Wikis that aren't as stringent about enforcing copyrights.

And remember that the 'Net is full of people who think that Intellectual Property is some outdated 20th century concept.

Yournamehere 01-30-2011 09:19 PM

Yeah, as cool as it would be to have images exclusively, it's not exactly practical when they are second to none, and we (MPM really) are displaying them on the internet of all places.

MoviePropMaster2008 01-31-2011 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MT2008 (Post 24971)
Of course I love the fact that we have such awesome pics, and that we were the first place to have them. But I'm not nearly as enthusiastic about the idea that they're exclusively for our use. I would be perfectly fine with other sites using some of our images as long as they credited us (which is what the person on Wikipedia who used the Px4 pics failed to do). But since I didn't take the pics myself, it's not my call.

Also, while I don't agree with Burt that the 'Net is some free-for-all where anything that can be downloaded is fair game for limitless distribution, I do think he's got a point that it's not going to be easy to clamp down on everyone who tries to use our images. As IMFDB gets more popular (which has been the trend of the last 3 years that I've been here), more people are going to see our gun images, not read our rules, and try to download them for use on their own sites. We can control a handful of Wikipedia users who upload our images without permission, but we won't be able to handle hundreds of users who post our images on other Wikis that aren't as stringent about enforcing copyrights.

And remember that the 'Net is full of people who think that Intellectual Property is some outdated 20th century concept.

I never said it would be EASY to police the net. I just said that in order to protect what is yours, you have to fight for it. NO one is going to catch all the idiots who steal pics, but the WIKIPEDIA example is more egregious since that user openly claimed CREDIT that the images were his. Some kid stealing one of MY PICS for his stupid gaming site isn't gonna cause a melt down and Burt's implication that I'm somehow irrational for not liking people ripping off my work was insulting, thus my disdain for him ;)

Well, from now on I can post all gun pics like THIS....
http://www.imfdb.org/images/3/33/IMFDBLogoGun.jpg
What do you think? ;)

MoviePropMaster2008 01-31-2011 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MT2008 (Post 24971)
Of course I love the fact that we have such awesome pics, and that we were the first place to have them. But I'm not nearly as enthusiastic about the idea that they're exclusively for our use. I would be perfectly fine with other sites using some of our images as long as they credited us (which is what the person on Wikipedia who used the Px4 pics failed to do). But since I didn't take the pics myself, it's not my call.

Also, while I don't agree with Burt that the 'Net is some free-for-all where anything that can be downloaded is fair game for limitless distribution, I do think he's got a point that it's not going to be easy to clamp down on everyone who tries to use our images. As IMFDB gets more popular (which has been the trend of the last 3 years that I've been here), more people are going to see our gun images, not read our rules, and try to download them for use on their own sites. We can control a handful of Wikipedia users who upload our images without permission, but we won't be able to handle hundreds of users who post our images on other Wikis that aren't as stringent about enforcing copyrights.

And remember that the 'Net is full of people who think that Intellectual Property is some outdated 20th century concept.

I never said it would be EASY to police the net. I just said that in order to protect what is yours, you have to fight for it. NO one is going to catch all the idiots who steal pics, but the WIKIPEDIA example is more egregious since that user openly claimed CREDIT that the images were his. Some kid stealing one of MY PICS for his stupid gaming site isn't gonna cause a melt down and Burt's implication that I'm somehow irrational for not liking people ripping off my work was insulting, thus my disdain for him ;)

Well, from now on I can post all gun pics like THIS....
http://www.imfdb.org/images/3/33/IMFDBLogoGun.jpg
What do you think? ;)

Milkovich 01-31-2011 07:34 PM

Needs more iridescent purple.

Rockwolf66 02-01-2011 01:16 AM

Please don't as I'll have issues convincing friends of mine to send you money so that they may use your pictures in their gaming products. Trust me when i say that MPM makes some of the best Firearms photos on the net, and that is why people want to use them. Now I have informed people that should they want to use MPM's Images for say a gaming book then all they have to do is ask MPM if they can use them.

ManiacallyChallenged 02-01-2011 07:37 AM

Oh man, that gun is teh sexy!
I need a Desert Eagle with the same IMFDB theme going on.


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