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Rockwolf66 01-29-2011 01:26 AM

Thankfully I was never that stupid.

First time I ever fired a .357 it was out of a Thompson Contender loaded with the sort of handloads you use for 150 yard siloette shooting. I was barely a boyscout so I was young and scrawny. I bent my elbows before pulling the trigger. three guesses as to what happened?

ManiacallyChallenged 01-29-2011 07:33 AM

My dad grew up in Eastern Oregon. In those days it was more rural, and of course it was back in "those days" so he and his brothers all had rifles.
My uncle told me a story of them taking their .22's to a junkyard after a rain. There was a junked car with a dented in roof. He climbed up on top, stood with legs shoulder width apart, and fired his rifle into a puddle of water trapped in the divot.
The way he tells it, the bullet flatted out when it hit the water and put a very large hole in the rusty roof. No injuries though.

Excalibur 01-29-2011 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by gunguy001 (Post 24917)
Ok

Someone had asked what's BG, that would be Background Performer, some people call them walking props, cattle, zombies or breathing set dressing,
IMO not a fan of any terms used.

You mean like an "Extra"

MoviePropMaster2008 01-29-2011 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Excalibur (Post 24930)
You mean like an "Extra"

Oh that Al, using all those "big words" ;) Actually I still use the words 'Extra' or 'background' or also 'deep background' because I don't automatically assume non-movie people would know all the abbreviations.

Like when I'm talking to a crowd of people I know are NOT in the biz, I don't say 'gaffer' unless I follow up with a brief explanation of what that position does. But sometimes I mess with the 'folks' and say "Oh that's the person who GAFFS" and leave it at that ... (leaving them even MORE confused LOL) ;)

But the term Background Performer is used MOST by the strict union types, since SAG, AFTRA, DGA, etc. all very strictly define "Principal Performer" and "Background Performer" via contracts. Who they are, what they are allowed to do, how much they get paid, etc.

But I still am careful of how loose I am with industry Abbreviations. I don't use D.P. (director of photography) alone as much (uh there are just too many guys who surf for PORN who assume it's the 'other' DP).

I don't use A.D. unless I'm saying First AD, Second AD, because some folks will still think I'm saying Accidental Discharge (some folks use Negligent Discharge, same thing).

Again, depends on the SET you're standing on. If you're surrounded by industry pros, they should KNOW what you're talking about. If you're addressing a bunch of set visitors who don't work in the industry, then I expand my lexicon :D

k9870 01-30-2011 12:40 AM

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Accidental Discharge (some folks use Negligent Discharge, same thing).
Actually, negligence is never an accident. An accident is something like a gun that malfuctions. Like a shotgun that slam fires when you load the chamber even when no pressing trigger and safety on. Negligence is stupidity.

Zulu Two Six 01-30-2011 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by MoviePropMaster2008 (Post 24936)
Oh that Al, using all those "big words" ;) Actually I still use the words 'Extra' or 'background' or also 'deep background' because I don't automatically assume non-movie people would know all the abbreviations.

Like when I'm talking to a crowd of people I know are NOT in the biz, I don't say 'gaffer' unless I follow up with a brief explanation of what that position does. But sometimes I mess with the 'folks' and say "Oh that's the person who GAFFS" and leave it at that ... (leaving them even MORE confused LOL) ;)

But the term Background Performer is used MOST by the strict union types, since SAG, AFTRA, DGA, etc. all very strictly define "Principal Performer" and "Background Performer" via contracts. Who they are, what they are allowed to do, how much they get paid, etc.

But I still am careful of how loose I am with industry Abbreviations. I don't use D.P. (director of photography) alone as much (uh there are just too many guys who surf for PORN who assume it's the 'other' DP).

I don't use A.D. unless I'm saying First AD, Second AD, because some folks will still think I'm saying Accidental Discharge (some folks use Negligent Discharge, same thing).

Again, depends on the SET you're standing on. If you're surrounded by industry pros, they should KNOW what you're talking about. If you're addressing a bunch of set visitors who don't work in the industry, then I expand my lexicon :D

but what is a gaffer and the othe type of DP?

MoviePropMaster2008 01-30-2011 04:18 AM

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Originally Posted by k9870 (Post 24944)
Actually, negligence is never an accident. An accident is something like a gun that malfuctions. Like a shotgun that slam fires when you load the chamber even when no pressing trigger and safety on. Negligence is stupidity.

A little Anal retentive aren't we? The only real time you'd ever actually argue the fineries of that point is in a court of law and even then, an accident may be negligence or vice versa.

k9870 01-30-2011 06:13 AM

Well, its like when i cruise gun forums one guy had a stoeger fire off a barrel when closing the action due to loose firing pin. Accident.

Somebody puts their finger on the trigger of a hunting rifle and shoots himself in the leg in the woods during hunting season in my state. Being a dumbass which is negligence.

There is a difference, nd multi page debates are waged on it a lot. Dont worry, im not gonna do that. Just making the point that somebody who has an accident isnt necessarily negligent. Somebody who does something stupid wasnt doing it by accident.

BurtReynoldsMoustache 01-30-2011 03:48 PM

What's the weirdest modification you've had to make to a gun?

gunguy001 01-31-2011 11:52 PM

I grabbed a semi auto FN FAL when I needed a full auto, so I used a toothpick and all was fine.

k9870 02-01-2011 12:18 AM

Huh? a toothpick to go full auto?

Zulu Two Six 02-01-2011 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by gunguy001 (Post 25000)
I grabbed a semi auto FN FAL when I needed a full auto, so I used a toothpick and all was fine.

i want double what you're smoking

Rockwolf66 02-01-2011 01:06 AM

He's not making a joke about the toothpick part. There are a few firearms that can be "converted to a machinegun" with as little as a toothpick in the right spot or even just reversing a part in the weapon.

I'm not going to say what weapons or how because with the way the BATF is run even a shoelace has been called an "illegal Machinegun".

AdAstra2009 02-02-2011 12:56 AM

From what I've read just the removal or wearing out of the disconnector spring on an AR-15 can cause fully-automatic firing.

MoviePropMaster2008 02-02-2011 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by gunguy001 (Post 25000)
I grabbed a semi auto FN FAL when I needed a full auto, so I used a toothpick and all was fine.

Good thing you're in Canada, because that's a FELONY in the U.S. :eek: What happens in Canada, STAYS in Canada.... ;)

MT2008 02-02-2011 03:16 AM

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Originally Posted by AdAstra2009 (Post 25040)
From what I've read just the removal or wearing out of the disconnector spring on an AR-15 can cause fully-automatic firing.

Not full-auto, exactly, but discharge of two rounds with one pull of the trigger. If this happens, then by BATF's definition, you are now in possession of an illegal machine gun.

S&Wshooter 02-02-2011 03:29 AM

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Originally Posted by MT2008 (Post 25056)
Not full-auto, exactly, but discharge of two rounds with one pull of the trigger. If this happens, then by BATF's definition, you are now in possession of an illegal machine gun.

I only we went by the Texas penal code, regarding fully automatic weapons

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Originally Posted by Texas Penal Code, Ch. 46.01, (9)
"Machine gun" means any firearm that is capable of shooting more than two shots automatically, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger.


MoviePropMaster2008 02-02-2011 03:42 AM

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Originally Posted by S&Wshooter (Post 25060)
I only we went by the Texas penal code, regarding fully automatic weapons

Texas used to have a rogue ATF agent named Aguilar I think, back in the 1980s. He used to have the 'bump fire' technique perfected before anyone knew what it was. He delighted in 'getting and arresting' AR-15 owners who had shot their rifles so much that the internal parts were worn. He managed to 'bump fire' a number of guns and 'Presto', numerous innocent gun owners were sent to prison (and lost all their guns) because they had an illegal machine gun. Aguilar even boasted regarding the number of people he had sent to prison, due primarily to his particular skill in 'bump firing' to get a conviction. Anyone who delights in 'twisting the system' to get wrongful convictions doesn't deserve the badge.... :mad:

S&Wshooter 02-02-2011 04:14 AM

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Originally Posted by MoviePropMaster2008 (Post 25063)
Texas used to have a rogue ATF agent named Aguilar I think, back in the 1980s. He used to have the 'bump fire' technique perfected before anyone knew what it was. He delighted in 'getting and arresting' AR-15 owners who had shot their rifles so much that the internal parts were worn. He managed to 'bump fire' a number of guns and 'Presto', numerous innocent gun owners were sent to prison (and lost all their guns) because they had an illegal machine gun. Aguilar even boasted regarding the number of people he had sent to prison, due primarily to his particular skill in 'bump firing' to get a conviction. Anyone who delights in 'twisting the system' to get wrongful convictions doesn't deserve the badge.... :mad:

I'm suprised someone didn't pop him and bury him in their back pasture

MoviePropMaster2008 02-02-2011 05:37 AM

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Originally Posted by S&Wshooter (Post 25066)
I'm suprised someone didn't pop him and bury him in their back pasture

He got a commendation and eventually retired on a full government pension.

AdAstra2009 02-02-2011 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by MoviePropMaster2008 (Post 25067)
He got a commendation and eventually retired on a full government pension.

Bastard...

S&Wshooter 02-02-2011 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MoviePropMaster2008 (Post 25067)
He got a commendation and eventually retired on a full government pension.

I guess he was smart enough to not go into the backwoods and mess with people

gunguy001 02-03-2011 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by MoviePropMaster2008 (Post 25043)
Good thing you're in Canada, because that's a FELONY in the U.S. :eek: What happens in Canada, STAYS in Canada.... ;)

No one can buy FN FAL anymore as it's a prohib, also it looks very scary to the libs. ;)

BurtReynoldsMoustache 02-03-2011 07:34 PM

Question: How do you decide who gets what gun? I don't mean in cases where the answer is obvious (soldiers getting guns appropriate to time and place), but how do you decide which gun to put in the hands of Terrorist #6 or Gang Banger #3? If the characters go hunting do you just pass out Remington 700's because that's what you have or does more thought go into it? How much say does the director have? How many directors even care if their vigilante housewife/bus driver/boy scout protagonist even uses a specific Ruger/S&W/Beretta and just pick something at random?


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