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Main Page quotes - should we limit the profanity?

Despite the fact that some of these quotes are hilarious, there seems to be a LOT of foul language. And that is the first thing many 'first time visitors' see. I was hoping we could stick to iconic quotes and leave the really profane ones out. I think we're immune to the constant "F-bombs" but it may be 'offputting' to new visitors or VIP visitors. I'd like a higher level of class for the main page.

Thoughts anyone?

Before anyone says it, yes, I expect Oliviera to say "What fucking profanity? I don't see no fucking profanity!" LOL!

Alright for everyone's convenience here are all the quotes that I found questionable, below the quote in bold will be why>

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'''The Terminator ([[Arnold Schwarzenegger]]):''' Twelve gauge autoloader.
'''Pawn Shop Clerk ([[Dick Miller]]):''' That's Italian. It can go pump, or auto.
'''The Terminator:''' The .45 Long Slide, with laser sighting.
'''Pawn Shop Clerk:''' These are brand new; we just got them in. That's a good gun. Just touch the trigger, the beam comes on and you put the red dot where you want the bullet to go. You can't miss. Anything else?
'''The Terminator:''' Phased-plasma rifle in the forty watt range.
'''Pawn Shop Clerk:''' Hey, just what you see, pal.
'''The Terminator:''' Uzi nine millimeter.
'''Pawn Shop Clerk:''' You know your weapons, buddy! Any of these is ideal for home defense. So...which will it be?
'''The Terminator:''' All.
'''Pawn Shop Clerk:''' I may close early today. --''[[The Terminator]]''
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(too long)
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'''Eddie ([[Nick Moran]]):''' They're armed.
'''Soap ([[Dexter Fletcher]]):''' What was that? Armed? What do you mean armed? Armed with what?
'''Eddie:''' Err, bad breath, colorful language, feather duster... what do you think they're gonna be armed with? Guns, you tit! --''[[Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels]]''
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profanity
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'''Dog ([[Frank Harper]]):''' What the fuck is that?
'''Mickey ([[Ronnie Fox]]):''' It's me Bren Gun.
'''Dog:''' Couldn't you have thought of something more practical? --''[[Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels]]''
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profanity
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'''Yuri Orlov ([[Nicolas Cage]]):''' Of all the weapons in the vast Soviet arsenal, nothing was more profitable than Avtomat Kalashnikova model of 1947. More commonly known as the AK-47, or Kalashnikov. It's the world's most popular assault rifle. A weapon all fighters love. An elegantly simple 9-pound amalgamation of forged steel and plywood. It doesn't break, jam, or overheat. It'll shoot whether it's covered in mud or filled with sand. It's so easy, even a child can use it; and they do. The Soviets put the gun on a coin. Mozambique put it on their flag. Since the end of the Cold War, the Kalashnikov has become the Russian people's greatest export. After that comes vodka, caviar, and suicidal novelists. One thing is for sure: No one was lining up to buy their cars. --''[[Lord of War]]''
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too long
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'''Bullet Tooth Tony ([[Vinnie Jones]]):''' So, you are obviously the big dick. The men on the side of ya are your balls. Now there are two types of balls. There are big brave balls, and there are little mincey faggot balls. Now, dicks have drive and clarity of vision, but they are not clever. They smell pussy and they want a piece of the action. And you thought you smelled some good old pussy, and have brought your two little mincey faggot balls along for a good old time. But you've got your parties muddled up. There's no pussy here, just a dose that'll make you wish you were born a woman. Like a prick, you are having second thoughts. You are shrinking, and your two little balls are shrinking with you. And the fact that you've got '''"Replica"''' written down the side of your guns, and the fact that I've got '''"Desert Eagle point-five-oh"''' written down the side of mine, should precipitate your balls into shrinking, along with your presence. Now...fuck off! --''[[Snatch]]''
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profanity, also too long
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'''Alexa "Lex" Woods ([[Sanaa Lathan]]):''' Seven seasons on the ice, and I've never seen a gun save someone's life.
'''Adele Rousseau ([[Agathe De La Boulaye ]]):''' I don't plan on using it.
'''Alexa "Lex" Woods:''' Then why bring it?
'''Adele Rousseau:''' Same principle as a condom. I'd rather have one and not need it, than need one and not have it. --''[[Alien vs. Predator]]''
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Awkward quote
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'''Mr. Bill Hertz ([[Paul Giamatti]]):''' Come on Smith, guns don't kill people -- but they sure help. --''[[Shoot 'Em Up]]''
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anti-gun quote
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'''Mr. Smith ([[Clive Owen]]):''' Aren't guns just ''fucking great'', Hammerson? --''[[Shoot 'Em Up]]''
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profanity
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'''Hammerson ([[Stephen McHattie]]):''' You know, Hertz, people love guns because America is a land of opportunity where a poor man can become rich and a ''pussy'' can become a tough guy, if he's got a gun in his hand. Now, I'm hopin' you're not just a pussy with a gun in your hand.
'''Mr. Bill Hertz ([[Paul Giamatti]]):''' Oh no sir, no, no I am not. I am a tough guy with a pussy in my hand. --''[[Shoot 'Em Up]]''
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profanity and portrays gun owners as weak/cowards
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'''Korean Thug Kim ([[Walter Wong]]):''' What the fuck is this? We said a machine gun!
'''Tom Ludlow ([[Keanu Reeves]]):''' It ''is'' a machine gun.
'''Korean Boss Kim ([[Ken Choi]]):''' The kind you can carry!
'''Tom Ludlow:''' Couldn't get any of those. This baby's got character. Korean War vintage. Maybe even mowed down one of your grandpapa-sans when he was charging the wire at Inchon. --''[[Street Kings]]''
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profanity
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'''Nick ([[Aaron Eckhart]]):''' Why didn't you use a silencer, Casey?
'''Casey ([[Thomas Jane]]):''' You wanna go door-to-door and tell everybody my fucking name?!? --''[[Thursday]]''
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profanity
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'''Fogell ([[Christopher Mintz-Plasse]]):''' What's it like to have a gun?
'''Officer Michaels ([[Seth Rogen]]) :''' It's like having two cocks. If one of your cocks could kill someone. --''[[Superbad]]''
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profanity
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'''The Caller ([[Kiefer Sutherland]]):''' You're in this position because you're not telling the truth.
'''Stu Shepard ([[Colin Farrell]]):''' No, I'm in this fucking position because ''you have a gun''! --''[[Phone Booth]]''
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profanity
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'''Mikaela Banes ([[Megan Fox]]):''' I'll drive, you shoot! -- ''[[Transformers]]''
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lame quote that does not even have to do with guns
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'''Sheriff Deputy #1:''' Who in the fuck do you think you are?!?
'''Sheriff Deputy #2:''' He thinks he's Rambo.
'''Det. Ray Tango ([[Sylvester Stallone]]):''' Rambo... is a pussy. -- ''[[Tango & Cash]]''
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profanity, also no relation to firearms
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I put in the Tango and Cash quote. Because Sylvester Stallone saying Rambo is a pussy, only he can say that. He must have a very good sense of humor.

I was getting tired of seeing the same old quotes. I added the Lethal Weapon one too.

As far as the profanity in the quotes. Most movies with guns are rated R with profanity. So most user checking out the site probably don't care. We could always censor the quotes.

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Originally Posted by predator20 (Post 8435)

As far as the profanity in the quotes. Most movies with guns are rated R with profanity. So most user checking out the site probably don't care. We could always censor the quotes.

I liked R Rated movies when I was a preteen. Just like how any other kid did not delay seeing a film just because the MPAA said that it was not recommended.

Anyways even if its a quote, for profane language to be the first seen thing on the main page.......umm yeah

I say for profanity, we don't swear unless we're really angry about it.

Why the hell should we limit profanity? Most of the films we got on the site are R rated ones. Besides, it's not like the profane quotes have too much "fucks" in them.

Because it's unprofessional.

I say we only do the iconic quotes too, and cut out the stupid ones that have nothing to do with guns. I wouldn't mind seeing shoot em ups antigun nonsense quotes gone too. Having famous quotes from movies a lot of people will ahve seen makes sense.

Well for quotes that show up on the front pages, the swears are what give them the punch. Censoring them would just take away the effect.,

As I have said, this site isn't aimed (pew pew) at kids. I wouldn't mind if the long quotes go. Or the ones which have nothing to do with guns. But the profanity isn't a problem. Look at the Lock, Stock and two smoking barrels quotes. One has a fuck in it. The other has tit in it. Seriously, I can't believe people actually think those two are actually bad because of their profanity.

I don't mind profanity, as long as the quote is good. A random-ass pointless quote should go, profanity or not.

I want this quote to go in particular

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'''Mikaela Banes ([[Megan Fox]]):''' I'll drive, you shoot! -- ''[[Transformers]]''

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Originally Posted by k9870 (Post 8468)

I don't mind profanity, as long as the quote is good. A random-ass pointless quote should go, profanity or not.

It's not about what YOU mind seeing. I mentioned before that our members are pretty much immune to the F-bombs. But it looks bad to new visitors and VIPs or casual visitors who are being shown the site. I vote to only allow general audiences 'classic movie quotes' and keep the profane (even if they are funny) quotes out.

I reported him. We should really be on the lookout for bots. We should talk to Bunny to see if there is any way to put some better anti-bot protection here.

I think , first and foremost, that the stupid Transformers ones have to go. Second, I don't think profanity is an issue, as I've stated before. We can't cap movies with violence and gore and then eliminate foul language because of it's offensive potential, that makes no sense. As far as professionalism goes, I think it's right to want to make the site look more professional and uniform, but taking swears out is just going to make the place look silly.

The ones I'd like to see go from the like are the Transformers quote (both of them, actually), most of the Shoot 'em Up quotes, maybe the Superbad one cause the humor presents a generation gap.

The quotes from Terminator, Lock Stock, Snatch and Lord of War should stay and never be taken down because they are either from good movies or they are just memorable quotes, their length or adult language content be damned.

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Originally Posted by Yournamehere (Post 8539)

Amen. I agree with YNH. I couln't put it better myself.

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Originally Posted by Yournamehere (Post 8539)

We can't cap movies with violence and gore and then eliminate foul language because of it's offensive potential, that makes no sense. As far as professionalism goes, I think it's right to want to make the site look more professional and uniform, but taking swears out is just going to make the place look silly.

I agree completely. Our site is full of movie images showing enormous amounts of violent content. It almost goes without saying that this is a grown-folks site.

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Originally Posted by MoviePropMaster2008 (Post 8472)

it looks bad to new visitors and VIPs or casual visitors who are being shown the site.

First, what VIPs? Do you mean that there actually filmmakers or actors who look at our site?

Anyway, I imagine that people who find profanity offensive probably find guns and violence just as offensive, in which case they're likely to think of our site as "bad", regardless of the profanity. Have you ever met anyone who liked firearms but was vehemently opposed to the use of 4-letter words? I sure haven't. Maybe this is anecdotal, but everyone I've ever known who shoots guns also swears more than I do.

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Originally Posted by Ace Oliveira (Post 8541)

Amen. I agree with YNH. I couln't put it better myself.

That being said, you are still going to need to tone down your own swearing. Aside from the fact that you sound awkward doing it, I find it annoying because you're playing a stereotype of how Americans speak. We don't walk around saying, "What the motherfuck?"

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Originally Posted by MT2008 (Post 8545)

I agree completely. Our site is full of movie images showing enormous amounts of violent content. It almost goes without saying that this is a grown-folks site.

I consider myself a grownup and I like movies with action and and whatnot; that doesn't mean that I think cursing is acceptable. (though as most everyone I do curse every now and then but I try and keep it to a minimum)

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Originally Posted by MT2008 (Post 8545)

First, what VIPs? Do you mean that there actually filmmakers or actors who look at our site?

Quoting MPM's note he posted on everyone's talk page about snobby remarks on actor's gun training

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(here is a note I've been posting around IMFDB)

I recently had the unpleasant experience of having some of the performers being insulted in some of our movie pages see what some of the IMFDB members write. there are some pretty condescending remarks regarding horrible grips, gun stance, bad gun discipline and blinking while shooting. I'm trying to promote the website and it's embarrassing to see actors getting insulted for pretty trivial reasons. What are your thoughts regarding this?

See below:

I'm asking all members to stop with the sarcastic comments in the screencap descriptions Too many members feel it's funny to be extremely sarcastic about actor's shooting stance, their blinking, their pistol grips. Only if it's so over the top as for the average person to notice, then don't keep on harping on it. Most actors are given only a bare amount of time to train, if at all. Many times the editor picks the worst take for pistol grip, but best take for other reasons like acting. Also much of the blame falls on the director. Some directors don't want to be bothered trying to train the actors and don't allow us armorers to even give them more training than the minimum safety training. People in the industry check out this website, and some think we're a bunch of obnoxious kids. I am not happy when people in 'the biz' look at the site and scoff at the snarky remarks. Some of them are the actual actors being insulted. We can always put in criticism, but IMFDB members going forward going to criticize a film, should try to do so in a scholarly manner or not at all. Thanks for your cooperation MoviePropMaster2008 05:51, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

I just don't usually think of "actors" and "VIPs" as synonymous (since I have friends who are actors, all of whom are hardly "VIPs").

I agree wholeheartedly with YNH, and I have a few things to add:

* There's nothing unprofessional about rendering a quote exactly as it's said in its source material, including profanity.

* Censoring profanity in quotes looks silly, to say nothing of the fact that it's a bit hypocritical given that there is violent content here as well.

* Protecting minors from mature content is a noble cause, but, seriously, this is the internet. Any chatroom, comments section, multiplayer video game or forum is bound to have profanity, and I can guarantee you that you'll hear more profanity in a few online matches of Halo or Call of Duty than you'll find in all the quotes on this site put together, and I don't have to tell you how many minors play those games.

I know "it's a big problem so it's no big deal if we add to it" is no excuse, but this is just my realist take on things. Anyway, this site is obviously meant for a mature audience, and I dare say it wouldn't hold the attention of most minors for very long even if they did stumble across it (there aren't many explosions in screenshots).

* I do believe that using profanity in image captions or other text in articles themselves is very unprofessional. Use of profanity in the somewhat less formal sections of the site (on talk pages or the forum) is fine as long as it's not too excessive.

The notion of violent content is not actually true. We rarely have heads exploding or viscera on pages (there are very few pages of real gore). The vast majority of the shots are people FIRING guns. And we don't have any real gory shots on the main page.

So I don't buy that "we have violent content" arguement. It's phony. Network TV will show violence, but they bleep out the profanity. Our society can accept some violence, but profanity is still offensive to some.

The Profanity looks unprofessional. I know that kids LOVE profanity. I can usually tell scripts written by high schoolers in that the profanity is ridiculous. Don't count Tarantino or the Script of Scarface, those are anomalies and rightfully so.

It's one of many issues in which there is an AGE gap of what is acceptable. I find the excessive profanity objectionable in that I don't want to be embarrassed when I show the page to others.

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Originally Posted by MoviePropMaster2008 (Post 9295)

But my point from earlier was, if a person is offended by profanity, aren't they just as likely to be offended by guns and anything related to violence? In which case, they're going to hate our site regardless of the profanity? The fact that we don't show "gore" isn't necessarily going to be relevant to such people; the fact that we are a GUN site is what's likely to offend them in the first place.

And as I've said before, everyone I know who likes guns also swears, though that's an anecdote.

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Originally Posted by MoviePropMaster2008 (Post 9295)

So I don't buy that "we have violent content" arguement. It's phony. Network TV will show violence, but they bleep out the profanity. Our society can accept some violence, but profanity is still offensive to some.

Personally, I think that's kind of ridiculous. It's OK to show some dude on TV mowing down lots of people with an automatic weapon, but a use of the "F-word", or a glance at a woman's nipples = evil? (and remember that on European TV, they're allowed to show tits, and they do) I always figured death was worse than profanity or nudity, but apparently, people disagree. Go figure...

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Originally Posted by MoviePropMaster2008 (Post 9295)

The Profanity looks unprofessional. I know that kids LOVE profanity. I can usually tell scripts written by high schoolers in that the profanity is ridiculous. Don't count Tarantino or the Script of Scarface, those are anomalies and rightfully so.

It's one of many issues in which there is an AGE gap of what is acceptable. I find the excessive profanity objectionable in that I don't want to be embarrassed when I show the page to others.

First of all, I agree with you that excessive profanity used by IMFDB members in conversation is immature, and that's why I keep telling Oliveira to watch how much he swears. THAT makes us look unprofessional, and I've told him so.

But quoting what ACTORS have said in a MOVIE is just not the same thing. I don't think you should be embarrassed to show your friends what the directors/screenwriters/actors in the movies were comfortable making up.

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Originally Posted by MT2008 (Post 9300)

Yes yes yes, and that's an arguement as old as television FCC rules. And I'm not here to debate it. American society has issues with nudity and language. They're okay with violence. Which is probably a good thing since we have some of the most liberties in private ownership of weapons (shrinking every day), but look at countries where there is tons of nudity in public view. You'll find weapons restrictions up the ying yang.

And it's not about what the screen writers come up with. It's about what WE CHOOSE to put on the main page. Sure, major movie had the quote " Fuck, Fuck Fuck..Mother-mother fuck, mother-mother fuck-fuck...mother fuck mother fuck mother mother fuck fuck. Noise noise noise 1-2-3-4 noise noise noise schmokin weed schmokin weed doin coke drinkin beers drinkin beers beers beers. rollin blunts smokin blunt who mokes the blunt we smoke the blunts." Doesn't mean we have to have the fucking thing on the main page!

Yeah, but its not exactly gratuitous if it's related to the purpose of the quote. And if someone else said it.

Anyway, like I've said, is there anyone out there who would get offended at reproducing quotes said by actors in movies, but wouldn't get offended by the fact that we "glorify" firearms? It seems hard for me to imagine. Anyone who's that squeamish is probably a gun-hating moron in the first place. So I'm not sure who we're alienating by having these quotes.

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Originally Posted by MattyDienhoff (Post 9293)

* Protecting minors from mature content is a noble cause, but, seriously, this is the internet. Any chatroom, comments section, multiplayer video game or forum is bound to have profanity, and I can guarantee you that you'll hear more profanity in a few online matches of Halo or Call of Duty than you'll find in all the quotes on this site put together, and I don't have to tell you how many minors play those games.
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Just because other places are loaded with profanity doesn't mean we should have to drag ourselves to their level.

It's not "dragging ourselves to other's level"

And we're just quoting a movie. If there is one swear in an awesome quote, then it's acceptable. But we should not really swear in firearms description. Everything else should be professional.

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Originally Posted by Excalibur (Post 9329)

Some of these quotes are NOT awesome. in fact some of them are kinda stupid. Can those be removed? Again, a lot of guys (esp teens) think a remotely funny joke is made hilarious with the inclusion of profanity. Believe me. The older you get, the more stupid it looks. :)

Thank You MVM2008, that's exactly what i was thinking, and some of them are just plain retarded. like the one by megan fox: serously, wtf?
and the one from shoot em up (i think, the one where he says something like: i hope thats not a pussy in your hand/tough guy shit/ no, im a pussy with a ...load of bs...... that doesnt even complement guns!

MPM2008, if anyone should delete those quotes it should be you.....please

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Originally Posted by MoviePropMaster2008

You're right, I'll cede that point.

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Originally Posted by MoviePropMaster2008

The Profanity looks unprofessional. I know that kids LOVE profanity. I can usually tell scripts written by high schoolers in that the profanity is ridiculous. Don't count Tarantino or the Script of Scarface, those are anomalies and rightfully so. It's one of many issues in which there is an AGE gap of what is acceptable. I find the excessive profanity objectionable in that I don't want to be embarrassed when I show the page to others.

Aren't you stereotyping a bit? I'm 19 and my dad (who is 56) swears more than I do. That said, I'll agree that teenagers generally swear the most, but that's only because it's a sign of immaturity, and we all know immaturity isn't limited to the teen years. (Subtle jab at my dad there. Sorry dad!)

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Originally Posted by MT2008

But quoting what ACTORS have said in a MOVIE is just not the same thing. I don't think you should be embarrassed to show your friends what the directors/screenwriters/actors in the movies were comfortable making up.

This is what I was trying to say.

It seems to me that we can all agree that "excessive profanity" is objectionable, we just don't agree on what is "excessive". This being a wiki, why don't we decide by consensus? We could list the quotes deemed potentially objectionable and vote on whether we believe they're appropriate for the main page. AdAstra's post on the first page is a good starting point...

My comments are in blue.

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Originally Posted by AdAstra2009

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'''The Terminator ([[Arnold Schwarzenegger]]):''' Twelve gauge autoloader.
'''Pawn Shop Clerk ([[Dick Miller]]):''' That's Italian. It can go pump, or auto.
'''The Terminator:''' The .45 Long Slide, with laser sighting.
'''Pawn Shop Clerk:''' These are brand new; we just got them in. That's a good gun. Just touch the trigger, the beam comes on and you put the red dot where you want the bullet to go. You can't miss. Anything else?
'''The Terminator:''' Phased-plasma rifle in the forty watt range.
'''Pawn Shop Clerk:''' Hey, just what you see, pal.
'''The Terminator:''' Uzi nine millimeter.
'''Pawn Shop Clerk:''' You know your weapons, buddy! Any of these is ideal for home defense. So...which will it be?
'''The Terminator:''' All.
'''Pawn Shop Clerk:''' I may close early today. --''[[The Terminator]]''
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(too long)
Agreed.
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'''Eddie ([[Nick Moran]]):''' They're armed.
'''Soap ([[Dexter Fletcher]]):''' What was that? Armed? What do you mean armed? Armed with what?
'''Eddie:''' Err, bad breath, colorful language, feather duster... what do you think they're gonna be armed with? Guns, you tit! --''[[Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels]]''
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profanity
Not excessive, in my opinion.
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'''Dog ([[Frank Harper]]):''' What the fuck is that?
'''Mickey ([[Ronnie Fox]]):''' It's me Bren Gun.
'''Dog:''' Couldn't you have thought of something more practical? --''[[Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels]]''
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profanity
Not excessive, in my opinion, but I'm open to the possibility of censoring "fuck". Either way, though, I think the quote should stay, I like it.
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'''Yuri Orlov ([[Nicolas Cage]]):''' Of all the weapons in the vast Soviet arsenal, nothing was more profitable than Avtomat Kalashnikova model of 1947. More commonly known as the AK-47, or Kalashnikov. It's the world's most popular assault rifle. A weapon all fighters love. An elegantly simple 9-pound amalgamation of forged steel and plywood. It doesn't break, jam, or overheat. It'll shoot whether it's covered in mud or filled with sand. It's so easy, even a child can use it; and they do. The Soviets put the gun on a coin. Mozambique put it on their flag. Since the end of the Cold War, the Kalashnikov has become the Russian people's greatest export. After that comes vodka, caviar, and suicidal novelists. One thing is for sure: No one was lining up to buy their cars. --''[[Lord of War]]''
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too long
It is long, but it's also a lot easier to read than the quote from The Terminator above because it's a monologue. It's an interesting quote, so I think I should stay.
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'''Bullet Tooth Tony ([[Vinnie Jones]]):''' So, you are obviously the big dick. The men on the side of ya are your balls. Now there are two types of balls. There are big brave balls, and there are little mincey faggot balls. Now, dicks have drive and clarity of vision, but they are not clever. They smell pussy and they want a piece of the action. And you thought you smelled some good old pussy, and have brought your two little mincey faggot balls along for a good old time. But you've got your parties muddled up. There's no pussy here, just a dose that'll make you wish you were born a woman. Like a prick, you are having second thoughts. You are shrinking, and your two little balls are shrinking with you. And the fact that you've got '''"Replica"''' written down the side of your guns, and the fact that I've got '''"Desert Eagle point-five-oh"''' written down the side of mine, should precipitate your balls into shrinking, along with your presence. Now...fuck off! --''[[Snatch]]''
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profanity, also too long
It is long, but, like I said above, it's a monologue, so it's still easy to read. I can understand that this amount of profanity is likely to offend people, however, especially when it's taken out of the context of the movie. Censoring it would dilute the meaning too much, so I vote axe this one.
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'''Alexa "Lex" Woods ([[Sanaa Lathan]]):''' Seven seasons on the ice, and I've never seen a gun save someone's life.
'''Adele Rousseau ([[Agathe De La Boulaye ]]):''' I don't plan on using it.
'''Alexa "Lex" Woods:''' Then why bring it?
'''Adele Rousseau:''' Same principle as a condom. I'd rather have one and not need it, than need one and not have it. --''[[Alien vs. Predator]]''
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Awkward quote
It's a good analogy, and I don't consider the mere mention of a condom to be awkward. Keep.
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'''Mr. Bill Hertz ([[Paul Giamatti]]):''' Come on Smith, guns don't kill people -- but they sure help. --''[[Shoot 'Em Up]]''
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anti-gun quote
Agreed, and it's not exactly an interesting quote anyway. Delete.
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'''Mr. Smith ([[Clive Owen]]):''' Aren't guns just ''fucking great'', Hammerson? --''[[Shoot 'Em Up]]''
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profanity
And anti-gun sentiment. It also doesn't make a lot of sense taken out of context. Delete.
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'''Hammerson ([[Stephen McHattie]]):''' You know, Hertz, people love guns because America is a land of opportunity where a poor man can become rich and a ''pussy'' can become a tough guy, if he's got a gun in his hand. Now, I'm hopin' you're not just a pussy with a gun in your hand.
'''Mr. Bill Hertz ([[Paul Giamatti]]):''' Oh no sir, no, no I am not. I am a tough guy with a pussy in my hand. --''[[Shoot 'Em Up]]''
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profanity and portrays gun owners as weak/cowards
Agreed. Delete.
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'''Korean Thug Kim ([[Walter Wong]]):''' What the fuck is this? We said a machine gun!
'''Tom Ludlow ([[Keanu Reeves]]):''' It ''is'' a machine gun.
'''Korean Boss Kim ([[Ken Choi]]):''' The kind you can carry!
'''Tom Ludlow:''' Couldn't get any of those. This baby's got character. Korean War vintage. Maybe even mowed down one of your grandpapa-sans when he was charging the wire at Inchon. --''[[Street Kings]]''
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profanity
I'm open to the idea of censoring "fuck", but otherwise I think this quote should stay, it's amusing.
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'''Nick ([[Aaron Eckhart]]):''' Why didn't you use a silencer, Casey?
'''Casey ([[Thomas Jane]]):''' You wanna go door-to-door and tell everybody my fucking name?!? --''[[Thursday]]''
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profanity
The quote is only barely related to firearms anyway. I'm neutral on this one.
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'''Fogell ([[Christopher Mintz-Plasse]]):''' What's it like to have a gun?
'''Officer Michaels ([[Seth Rogen]]) :''' It's like having two cocks. If one of your cocks could kill someone. --''[[Superbad]]''
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profanity
It's a pretty stupid quote too, but that's just my opinion. Censorship would probably make this entirely nonsensical.
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'''The Caller ([[Kiefer Sutherland]]):''' You're in this position because you're not telling the truth.
'''Stu Shepard ([[Colin Farrell]]):''' No, I'm in this fucking position because ''you have a gun''! --''[[Phone Booth]]''
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profanity
This could be censored, I wouldn't miss it if it was deleted because I don't find it to be a particularly interesting or relevant quote. Neutral.
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'''Mikaela Banes ([[Megan Fox]]):''' I'll drive, you shoot! -- ''[[Transformers]]''
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lame quote that does not even have to do with guns
Agreed.
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'''Sheriff Deputy #1:''' Who in the fuck do you think you are?!?
'''Sheriff Deputy #2:''' He thinks he's Rambo.
'''Det. Ray Tango ([[Sylvester Stallone]]):''' Rambo... is a pussy. -- ''[[Tango & Cash]]''
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profanity, also no relation to firearms
Agreed.
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If we decide we want to do a vote, it would be a good idea to do it on the quote template's talk page.

I agree, start a vote.

First of all, the discussion has been going from censoring quotes due to spam, to deleting them due to length. Well and done, but that is a separate discussion. And personally, I do not want to delete the monologue from "Snatch" (admittedly, that's because I'm the one who put it in there).

As for profanity, I see a few that are excessive, but some where it would really just seem wrong if the word were gone. Like the quote from "Street Kings" for instance (again, one that I added).

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Originally Posted by MT2008 (Post 9375)

We need to vote on this. Though you may have a close attachment to that quote, I never thought that quote to be particularly clever. I suppose the entire BS about replicas 'firing' like live guns (in the film) emasculates the quote making it as false as blowing out a car window with a blank. These things are completely subjective. Again, I really don't care if half of a group likes a quote and the other half thinks it's dumb. It's the profanity that's the issue. People are starting to miss the point as to why other people have problems with it. The more and more internationally 'famous' (for lack of a better word) that IMFDB gets and with more and more people using it as a resource for checking film trivia, the more professional I expect it to be. If you're content to have this only be a fun time space for VG playing males between the ages of 14 -35, then the status quo is great. Not having F bombs hitting the viewers on the Main page is what I consider a professional approach. Drilling down into the details, especially when it's really relevant to a page (like the actual screenshot where the quote is spoken) is fine and no one can claim offense.

Alright if we are voting....

my vote is to get rid of the profanity laden quotes.

My vote is to consider them case-by-case.

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Originally Posted by MoviePropMaster2008 (Post 9376)

If you're content to have this only be a fun time space for VG playing males between the ages of 14 -35, then the status quo is great.

It's not that I don't want this site's fan base to get bigger...it's just that I can't imagine that there are many people besides "VG-playing males" aged 14-35 for whom this site would be appealing. After all, we are a niche site by definition.

Don't get me wrong, I understand the desire to be professional, and maybe there are some quotes on the Main Page that are a bit gratuitous. But I also think we shouldn't get carried away worrying about alienating people who aren't likely to care. That is my opinion, but obviously, if everyone else feels strongly about this, I will defer to majority vote.

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Originally Posted by MT2008 (Post 9378)

My vote is to consider them case-by-case.

This is the best course of action, I think.

Well, I'll start putting the questionable quotes (whether they're questionable due to length, profanity or simply their topic) onto the quotes template's talk page
and add a space beneath each quote for us to place our votes for or against removing each one. I'll link to the talk page again when I'm done.

EDIT: Done.
Quotes template talk page

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Originally Posted by MattyDienhoff (Post 9381)

MattyDienhoff, this poll has been up for only a few hours.. That is too early to declare "case by case" the victor.

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Originally Posted by AdAstra2009 (Post 9386)

MattyDienhoff, this poll has been up for only a few hours.. That is too early to declare "case by case" the victor.

What poll? We've been discussing it, that's not a poll. At any rate, I don't see how else we could go about doing this (besides deciding via consensus which quotes are suitable for the main page).

I just added a real poll to the topic. Please vote, y'all.