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Excalibur 07-15-2009 05:28 PM

John Woo
 
Who's a fan of Woo?

Classsic films of gun fu action, watermelons, birds, and berettas.

Recently watching a doc about the man, he tells about his favorite Beretta pistol and he holds it like any typical movie guy. His finger is not quite on the trigger, but not off it.

Gunmaster45 07-15-2009 08:59 PM

Some people were taught to keep their finger off the trigger by putting their finger up against the inside front of the trigger guard, so maybe that's the safety tecnique he was taught.

I like John Woo films, the gunfights are very cool and artistic, and at least when I see people launched through the air and guns never running out of bullets, I can go, "Well, it's a John Woo film."

As obvious by the new page, I just saw Face/Off and liked it a lot, despite the very bizzare story idea. I also liked Hard Boiled, although both subtitles and dubbing (mind you with Australian accents for people in Hong Kong!) the story was harder to focus on.

One I didn't like was Windtalkers. I don't think a war movie is a place to mess around with artistic action. War movies are Drama films, not action films. But it was okay with gunplay, so I still capped it for the site.

I love John Woo's trademarks, such as Berettas, akimbo firing, diving through the air, diving on banisters, flying doves, reflections, slo-mo, the list goes on.

One thing that does bug me though is that the main protaganist is apparantly the only one who can shoot people in a gunfight effectively, while everyone who allies him is either hopelessly mowed down or the guy has to run around and save everyone. Granted, I think Woo's films are great, that part just tends to bug me.

Excalibur 07-15-2009 09:20 PM

Well Windtalker was more for drama than action. That's what John Woo was trying for, but some John Woo aspect doesnt quite go with ideas like a WWII war movie. I guess it's because I've seen plenty of war movies and another one just doenst raise my eye brow as much. Now when I saw the movie Appleseed Ex Machina produced by John Woo, I was excited for that

Vangelis 07-15-2009 09:36 PM

I might have a go at screencapping the sequel to Hard Boiled sometime, since it's rather unusual for the direct sequel to a movie to be a videogame with the same director.

Woo's visual style is great, but it can get silly at times if it's associated with the wrong actor [cough Tom Cruise cough] and it is pretty obvious that having the main character only reload when it's dramatic and be the only guy who can hit anything is cheating somehow.

Gunmaster45 07-15-2009 09:39 PM

Stranglehold was a good game, although it loses its fun after a couple playthroughs. You'd think in a John Woo game, your guns would holdmore bullets. :confused:

MT2008 07-15-2009 10:01 PM

I like John Woo, but the quality of his films does fall off sharply after "Hard Boiled", when he came to the States. "Face/Off" is the only pretty good movie he's made since he went Hollyweird. His original HK films (and, more specifically, the first two "A Better Tomorrow" films, "The Killer", and "Hard Boiled") are really his entire body of classic work, as far as I'm concerned.

BTW, interesting fact: Rock Galotti, the armorer that Woo usually works with in the U.S., has repeatedly offered him the chance to fire a Beretta 92F at the range. And he's turned down the offer repeatedly.

Vangelis 07-15-2009 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Gunmaster45 (Post 4706)
Stranglehold was a good game, although it loses its fun after a couple playthroughs. You'd think in a John Woo game, your guns would holdmore bullets. :confused:

I think Black is the only game interested in giving the player octuple-stack magazines just because it can.

k9870 07-15-2009 11:44 PM

I like john woo movies, there is definitely style. Some U.S, films do seem recycled though. Some of them i see ive seen in his other films.

MT2008 07-15-2009 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by k9870 (Post 4714)
I like john woo movies, there is definitely style. Some U.S, films do seem recycled though. Some of them i see ive seen in his other films.

That's the main thing that makes it harder to watch John Woo's HK movies nowadays and appreciate them...a zillion American directors have copied his style and watered it down.

Like in "Desperado" when Antonio Banderas slides backwards across the floor firing his two Ruger P90s...an obvious rip-off of the church scene from "The Killer" when Chow Yun-Fat does the same thing with his twin Berettas/Tauruses.

Excalibur 07-16-2009 04:50 AM

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Originally Posted by MT2008 (Post 4711)

BTW, interesting fact: Rock Galotti, the armorer that Woo usually works with in the U.S., has repeatedly offered him the chance to fire a Beretta 92F at the range. And he's turned down the offer repeatedly.

How strange. You think she he just LOVES the Beretta 92F series, he would have fired one at least once in his life...

Gunmaster45 07-16-2009 05:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Excalibur (Post 4722)
How strange. You think she he just LOVES the Beretta 92F series, he would have fired one at least once in his life...

I'm sure it's just a spelling error, but are you accusing John Woo of being a She/He ? :D;)

Excalibur 07-16-2009 02:56 PM

Oh come on, dont rip me a new one because of a typo

AdAstra2009 07-16-2009 05:50 PM

I like his movies, esp. Face/Off and Broken Arrow.

-I haven't seen any of his original HK films though

Gunmaster45 07-16-2009 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Excalibur (Post 4732)
Oh come on, dont rip me a new one because of a typo

I'm only kidding with you. :D

Krel 07-17-2009 02:39 AM

I like "Hard Target", although it like most movies that are filmed around, or suppose to take place in the New Orleans area gets the geography 99.9 percent wrong. I suppose that they do that with all cities.

I work in New Orleans, and when they were filming the movie, I came upon a location where they were filming while I was walking to work one morning. I passed all of these large trucks loaded with clothing, office furniture, other props, and gear. I didn't know what movie they were filming, there were no signs with the name posted. But I did pass all of these people wearing shirts and ball caps with the label "Hard Target Security". The only thing I could think of is, that is a really, horrible, bad name for a security company, you're just begging to get shot with that name! It wasn't until much later that I found out that "Hard Target" was the name of the film.

David.

Excalibur 07-17-2009 02:51 AM

I just saw the remastered Hard Boiled. Good movie. The music is just awesome

Gunmaster45 07-17-2009 05:21 AM

Aside from the Australian voice dubbing, it was a pretty good movie. I'm pretty sure the Chinese don't say "Bloody hell" or "Mum" too often. :D

The huge assortment of guns was nice too.

AdAstra2009 07-17-2009 05:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Gunmaster45 (Post 4775)
Aside from the Australian voice dubbing, it was a pretty good movie. I'm pretty sure the Chinese don't say "Bloody hell" or "Mum" too often. :D

The huge assortment of guns was nice too.

Well Hard Boiled takes place in Hong Kong and during the time of the filming Hong Kong was still under British Rule so it would be understandable for some British linguistics to seep their way in.

Gunmaster45 07-17-2009 05:33 AM

Well still, I think it was more because the Aussies who dubbed it couldn't keep the lingo down.

Yournamehere 07-17-2009 11:23 AM

Eh, I saw the same movie, and I'm pretty sure it was remastered, but the dubbing wasn't Australian in any way. They sounded perfectly normal.You might have had the wrong audio setting, or maybe I just had a different, better version of the movie. Sucks.

Excalibur 07-17-2009 08:15 PM

I know Chinese, so I dont need dubbing.

Gunmaster45 07-18-2009 12:14 AM

I only speak English fluently. I know some fractured Latin since I had to take two years of it for school, but since it's a dead language, it's kind of useless.

k9870 07-18-2009 12:45 AM

I speak english, and have no inclination to learn anything else, as i consider it pointless to struggle with learning new languages if youre not going to live in other countries or anything.

Excalibur 07-18-2009 01:42 AM

Subtitles are good. Listening to a movie in its original audio is the best part. So you dont understand a word of it, but read the subs for that part. Dubs can sometime ruin the scene


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