Actor destroyed my Remington 1907-15 Berthier
 

Mint condition, 100% blued, perfect wood. The actor dropped it in front of a slow moving Model T Truck and snapped it just behind the bolt handle. :mad: Don't know how much it was worth since it was a gift many years ago. Yet another RETARDED actor story. Will post pictures of the destroyed gun for posterity.

Who pays for the guns that are broken due to actor's mistake, them or their agents? Or is it so-called "tough sh*t" for armourers?

Which movie or show were you working on?

The production company is liable for damage. The actor never sees ANY liability nor responsibility for their actions and rarely do their actions result in them being fired so there is NO INCENTIVE for them to act responsibly (except for an armorer yelling at time). Also production companies many times don't realize nor care that guns are rare or in pristine condition when they are used. This also goes for any historical item that is real (like gear or uniforms). Also the heads of the props/Art departments can be real penny pinchers.

"Oh! Its ridiculous to expect us to reimburse anything more than $50 for a destroyed Colt Single Action Army!!!" Etc. Because many times they know nothing about guns and think I'm lying when I quote them the blue book value.

To be fair, the major studio productions are usually pretty good about paying replacement cost (PLUS punitive damages) but that's not the point. We all know there are guns we just can't replace so it really sucks when actors act like retards.

Something tells me this wasn't the first time it happened. I would expect bit more professional manner from actors when handling props for their roles, be it gun, suit or a pen. But actors can be really childish at times, be it Hollywood megastars or amateurs in their schoolmate's art project.

You'd think they respect people when they have an entire armory of guns. :D

Wow, tough break there. If it was something relatively expendable, sure. Just roll your eyes and chalk it up to actors will be actors.
But that has to just suck.

Shit, sorry to hear that man. A Remington too.

If it matters, it's worth about $600-800. The Remingtons weren't actually accepted by the French so they turn up in good shape fairly often.

Was it a personally owned firearm or a com pany gun? BTW, what movie/tv show are you working on?

That's bullsh*t. These actors should be liable for their own actions. They should not be given a free pass like spoiled children.

Any good stories of famous actors we may know doing something stupid with movie guns?

Welcome to Hollywood.

Sorry to hear about the gun, MPM. It makes me hate those fuckers even more (even though I love movies).

Well remember that scene in Rambo:_First_Blood_Part_II where Rambo fires off his M60E3 at the Command Center and then fires off into the ceiling until he is empty and then THROWS the gun onto the table?? Well Stallone ad libbed that scene. He wasn't supposed to throw the gun, and if he did, they had replica/stunt weapons for him to toss, not an expensive Pre-86 transferable Class III firearm. But he improvised and thought that THROWING the gun onto the table was 'cool'. Syd told me how pissed he was when that happened. hahahaha.

I've seen a lot of behind the scenes on how actors like to fuck around when they are in costume and mess around with their props, be it anything. What we don't see on special features of DVDs is when actors really do fuck shit up. And actors are too busy trying to get a good glamor shot than worry about their "props", I mean look at Christan Bale, the DP walks in front of the camera and he flips out. Most actors are just either real assholes or too scared of their own fans.

But there are some exceptions to actors who use guns on set and treat them with respect, go through the harsh training of learning how to use a gun and appreciating it, but those actors are rare to find.

Who are the best actors with guns, and who are the worst?

Aw, man, what a tragedy...:(

Bale-out was very very tame compared to the fits Klaus Kinski had. For example, during shooting Aguirre, he once got irritated by extras making noise in their tent while he tried to sleep, so he grabbed a rifle and fired three fucking rounds into the tent blindly. Luckily, only one person was hit, top of his finger came off. Kinski also nearly splitted fellow actor's head with a sword while filming, only his helmet saved his life.

Ones that come to my mind about actors having actual skills with firearms (I'd like to point out I am no expert in this matter): Thomas Jane, Mark Wahlberg, Bruce Willis, Brad Pitt and Kevin Costner to some extent.

I'd say only Brad Pitt, Kevin Costner, and Bruce Willis deserve the mentions, as they actually still use firearms training they recieved in the past and continued to use it in other films. Thomas Jane still has yet to prove himself after learning so much for his training in The Punisher. Mark Wahlberg doesn't handle guns well. Look at Max Payne, he learned so much for Shooter and didn't use any of it. I think he is against guns too, so I don't like him.

I think the actors of the Stargate TV series might be trusting to handing guns with in the later seasons. The actors doing the movie Miami Vice, SWAT, The Kingdom showed the actors doing some extensive training. Tom Hanks did a lot of real training during Saving Private Ryan.

In stargate the muzzles are constantly pointing at other people, like their commanding officers lol, not to mention teal'c and the dual wielding

Even though I find Tom Cruise to be kind of a soup sandwich, his gun handling was excellent in Collateral. He was definately well trained and remembered the training well.

I was also impressed by Keanu Reeves and the fact that he wanted to be trained for Street Kings so he could be a more convincing character. He learned well too, I found his gun handling to be superb in Street Kings.

It was, the gunfire itself was weak though, a 4506 indoors is not a popgun. He sed good grip, stance, aimed, everything though, and it was a good movie

Yeah the gunfire really annoyed me. The first time I watched it and heard the .45 making that small popping sound, I was like, "WTF??!!"

Yeah the sound of it on screen really got to me. I guess the sound editing department didn't quite get the sound a .45 makes indoors. Obviously on set when fired, it would be loud especially indoors.

The duel wielding with Teal'c is to be expected. The character wasn't an Earth trained soldier, he wouldn't know how to properly hold a gun from our planet, so can't blame him

Well, he has been on earth like 10 years in that show. You ever look where mzzles are pointing though, there aimed at everyone, bad guys, friendlies, each other.....Although i must say i love the show

Given the nature of the game that influenced it, you can't really blame Wahlberg for Max Payne. On top of that, how many "shoot-em-ups" has he done since Shooter? Same thing goes for Tom Jane.

How many movies has Tom Jane made since the punisher? Like, all movies counted? Walhberg is a raving anti too. Brad Pitt apparently owns a USP.

Thomas Jane did "The Mist" in 2007. I'm fairly certain that his character in that one didn't have the same kind of training that Frank Castle did...

And, honestly, I thought that it was Angelina Jolie who owned a USP.

I think it is Jolie who owns the USP. Then again, they are married so put those together. I read in a magazine she likes owning a gun to protect her family. Good for her.

she bought two, gave one to him. They're supposedly replicas of the tomb raider guns, maybe just hers but in an interview she said they shoot frequently

Ugh, damn you, Stallone.

Did you ever find out if Bruce Willis actually improved and threw down the MP5 in "Die Hard 2" when he fires blanks at Dennis Franz' character? It sure looks like he did, and I can't imagine that would have been in the script.

BTW .... sorry to go back on topic but .....

As you can see, the back of the receiver and trigger group are bent at an angle. Which is what happens when a screwup actor who is messing around drops his WW1 rifle in front of a Vintage WW1 Truck and the rifle falls on a brick (set dressing "Debris" from a battle damaged town) and the tire of the truck runs over it right at the angle in which to snap the rifle in two.....

http://www.imfdb.org/images/d/d4/1907-15_Angle01.jpg
http://www.imfdb.org/images/7/76/1907-15_Angle02.jpg

Damn, that's worse than I thought.
If only I were a brilliant woodworker I would offer my services. Alas I am not.

Nasty job.

It's not just the wood. The receiver and trigger group are bent to one side. The metal parts are just not safe to trust with live ammo ever again because of that. That is, if one can just BEND the back end of the receiver to be straight again, which is near impossible without causing unacceptable metal fatique.

now, is this personally owned or a company gun ?If you lsot personal property, you should be compensated for sure.

Since I own the company (AND the guns), it doesn't really matter.

Is there any chance you could tell us the actor and the film this gun was to be used in, or is this info top secret? (I'd assume so)