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funkychinaman 07-08-2011 10:49 PM

"Man, what are you doing with a gun in space?"
 
Short answer: to shoot wolves.

http://www.esquire.com/features/ESQ0704-JULY_ASTRO

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In an otherwise empty space behind the small-man cradles in the Soyuz TMA-1, there are soft-sided white bags that contain emergency supplies, including flares, warm clothes, water, and--because sometimes bad things happen--a double-barreled sawed-off shotgun. In the sixties, a Soyuz capsule landed off target, in rugged country, and after the cosmonauts inside had gathered their nerve, they broke open the hatch to find themselves surrounded by wolves, their breath turning solid in the cold. The men might have liked to run, but they could only crawl. Since then, every Soyuz crew packs a little something under the seat.

mpe2010 07-08-2011 11:33 PM

I think that the author might have been referring to this gun when he said double barrel shotgun.

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2...-82-space-gun/

AdAstra2009 07-09-2011 09:19 AM

Interesting.

Now though according to an article that firearm has expired and has been replaced with a handgun.
I doubt American counterparts have such measures.

AdAstra2009 07-09-2011 09:21 AM

""Man, what are you doing with a gun in space?""
http://www.imfdb.org/w/images/thumb/...on_P7M13-2.jpg

Now though according to an article that firearm has expired and has been replaced with a handgun.

I doubt American counterparts have such measures.

funkychinaman 07-09-2011 04:28 PM

Well, that mission in question was a few years ago, so it could've been replaced by a handgun by now. But if we're talking about surviving in the wild, I would think a shotgun/carbine/machete combo would be more useful, albeit more heavy.

Krel 07-09-2011 11:49 PM

Back in 1999, during the anniversary of the Apollo moon landing, there was this one show that claimed that the Apollo Astronauts carried a handgun. If it true, I wondered if it was a pistol, revolver, or a Gyro Jet.

David.

Spades of Columbia 07-10-2011 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Krel (Post 30920)
Back in 1999, during the anniversary of the Apollo moon landing, there was this one show that claimed that the Apollo Astronauts carried a handgun. If it true, I wondered if it was a pistol, revolver, or a Gyro Jet.

David.

Maybe it was the Callahan Fullbore Autolock like Jayne carries ;)

funkychinaman 07-10-2011 06:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Krel (Post 30920)
Back in 1999, during the anniversary of the Apollo moon landing, there was this one show that claimed that the Apollo Astronauts carried a handgun. If it true, I wondered if it was a pistol, revolver, or a Gyro Jet.

David.

I suppose the only reason would be if they were stuck on the moon and couldn't return they'd have a quick way to die instead of starving or suffocating. But I'd think a cyanide capsule would be much lighter. Or, they could just open the hatch.

The Wierd It 07-10-2011 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by funkychinaman (Post 30935)
I suppose the only reason would be if they were stuck on the moon and couldn't return they'd have a quick way to die instead of starving or suffocating. But I'd think a cyanide capsule would be much lighter. Or, they could just open the hatch.

It's been stated that astronauts never carried cyanide pills; blowing the hatch was deemed to be faster and less painful.

FIVETWOSEVEN 07-10-2011 04:38 PM

Why would they carry a Gyro jet handgun? Those were innaccurate and kinda pointless.

mpe2010 07-11-2011 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by FIVETWOSEVEN (Post 30943)
Why would they carry a Gyro jet handgun? Those were innaccurate and kinda pointless.

They didnt have any recoil so shooting one in zero gravity wouldnt send the shooter flying backwards.

FIVETWOSEVEN 07-12-2011 03:33 AM

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Originally Posted by mpe2010 (Post 30949)
They didnt have any recoil so shooting one in zero gravity wouldnt send the shooter flying backwards.

Weren't they the ones that went on the moon where there is gravity?

mpe2010 07-12-2011 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by FIVETWOSEVEN (Post 30958)
Weren't they the ones that went on the moon where there is gravity?

I dont think that there is enough gravity on the moon to shoot a gun and not be propelled backwards a little bit.

AdAstra2009 07-15-2011 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mpe2010 (Post 30949)
They didnt have any recoil so shooting one in zero gravity wouldnt send the shooter flying backwards.

Well the point of firearms being supplied to Cosmonauts/Astronauts was not for use in space but for re entry in the untamed wilderness as the article states.

Also If I was in space I wouldn't want a Gyro Jet, at short ranges the Gyrojet is known to be ineffective because it needs distance to accumulate velocity due to the rocket powered rounds.

Evil Tim 07-15-2011 08:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mpe2010 (Post 30949)
They didnt have any recoil so shooting one in zero gravity wouldnt send the shooter flying backwards.

Um, gyrojets have less recoil, not none.

The Wierd It 07-15-2011 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Evil Tim (Post 31036)
Um, gyrojets have less recoil, not none.

You can't have no recoil under Newtonian physics.

Evil Tim 07-15-2011 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by The Wierd It (Post 31038)
You can't have no recoil under Newtonian physics.

You can have no perceived recoil, by either throwing something of equal mass in the opposite direction at the same time, having an open tube that doesn't restrict the propellant, or venting your propellant to push the weapon foward to balance the recoil pushing it back.


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