Guns you want to see made Pt. 2
 

As stated, this is guns you would like to be made you would be interested in. Make your suggestions reasonable, what manufacturers could make no rediculous things like laser guns.

Id like:

DSA to make a scaled down fal in 556 like the imbel 97.

SIG to make a double stack p220 with slim grips (the 221 was desighned but clinton ban kept it from ever entering production.)

.22 pistols with 15-20 round capacities. Im sick of being limited to 10 even in free states

More options for 5 inch .357 magnums

A .22 clone of the m14/garand rifles

these are just a few ideas off the top of my head, now you go....

A .50 caliber handgun cartridge that is not a magnum.

.50 ae is not a magnum.

Ill add STI 2011s with a metal trigger and no billboards.

Wildey chambered in a bullet I can go buy at a gunstore
SIG 550 for civilian sales (SIG 556 weighs ~twice as much as a 552 for christsakes)
Non-neutered MP5 carbine in 9mm
Bush camo finish option for DSA FAL's http://media.photobucket.com/image/R...ar60/005-7.jpg
M16A1 clone
7.62x54R hunting rifle
S&W Performance Center revolver without the retarded looking barrel

Century Arms is actually making an M16A1 clone of sorts.


I want more guns to chamber the 10mm auto.

Isn't the quality of Century Arm's guns a bit iffy?

I would love to see a 22 lr conversion kit for the kel tec PMR-30

Id plink with that:)

i want a heavy barrel version for more accuracy.

You said a Clone of an M16A1. You didn't say it had to be good quality.

Yeah it's a hit or miss with them.

My L1A1 was built by them, but in my research most said if the receiver is IMBEL you're generally okay. So that's what I made sure I went with.

There are M16A1 parts kit around, buy a Nodak receiver and you're good to go. (If you care that much about an A1 style lower) In the future I'd like to buy two of their receivers, one to build an M16A1 clone and the other an XM177E2.

A clone of a 2 tone deagle with wood grips and chambered in 22lr with 20 round capacity. GSG may be able to do it they have a decent 22 1911 out, btw who else wants to see 1911s without billboards or front serrations?

33mm cartridge length, only chambered by guns chambered for other magnum cartridges, how exactly is it not a magnum?

:eek: Well now I want to see a .50 GI handgun with a double stack magazine and a .50 GI submachine gun. :cool:

Also magnum has no real definition, its marketing hype, so describe what you call a "magnum"

+1 on what Predator said. For a time I wanted to get an A1 and I did my research on what I needed to get one, or rather, build one myself since no one offers one. There are full A1 parts kits less the lower receiver floating around for 5-600 bucks, though they come with a barrel that has no finish and needs to be modified to fit the front sight, and the lower parts kits have full auto parts (they are legal to buy apparently but not legal to have with a receiver or to install them into a receiver) so those need to be thrown away and replaced, and if you can't find someone to do the barrel, it needs to be replaced too. Overall after buying all the parts and assembling the whole thing, it'll come out to around 800 dollars, depending upon whether you buy a different A1 barrel for a certain price or have your smith finish and put the sight post on the barrels they come with and how much a smith will charge for that. Even so, someone should just make an A1 replica as it has to be a desirable gun, cheap to make and it would save hardcore M16 fans all the time of doing all the aforementioned work to get an A1.

I honestly don't know how I feel about the Century guns. There are a lot of horror stories, but a lot of satisfied customers too. I don't think I'll ever buy one of their guns though because their customer service, if you read it on their website, sucks. You basically get no warranty.

Anyhow, speaking of true A1 clones, I'm still waiting for someone to make a true 1911A1 clone, but I don't think it's gonna happen for a while. The SIG 221 also intrigues me, but I don't think they could make it without compromising the grip size. In addition, I appreciate what front cocking serrations are and their function, but aesthetically speaking I prefer the front of my gun to be smooth.

I also want to see the Jericho 941F come back (no rails and all steel for the love of God). Though heavy, they have a very nice grip, the trigger and sights are exceptional, and with a frame mounted lever you can easily access your safety/decocker, and you can choose between using the lever as both a decocker or safety for cocked and locked, so you have more than one carry mode.

EDIT: Oh yeah, a 5 inch revolver barrel is about pointless. An extra inch isn't going to make the gun more accurate, at least not within reasonable target or combat distances. One more inch of rifling will help the bullet retain accuracy over great distances, but if you think it'll make the gun a more accurate shooter when you're shooting at your local range at 7, 10 or even 25 yards, it won't, it'll just make the gun bulkier and heavier. It's up to the person shooting the gun to make hits. As for aesthetic appeal, there's nothing wrong with a 4 or 6 inch barrel's look, so, again, 5 inch barrels are about pointless.

DOUBLE EDIT: A heavier barrel alone (on a carbine especially) will not instantly make a gun more accurate and dial down groups by noticeable amounts. You're thinking in very simple terms and not accounting for the additional weight, your own ability to wield and shoot the gun in the first place, and most importantly that the extra degree of accuracy is practically invisible unless you plan to shoot the gun at several hundred yard excess. Heavier barrels are revered more so because they don't overheat as fast, and the accuracy thing is secondary, and again, only when you plan to shoot a gun father than typical or effective range like with a bolt action rifle. A longer or heavier barrel will not make one a better shooter, it just means your rifle MAY shift less when firing or your pistol bullet MAY come off half an inch less at 150 yards, the difference for traditional purposes is inconsequential.

Call me crazy, but I'm thinking of a carbine chambered for .357 Mag and fed by a box magazine, in either a Cx4-style layout (using the 9-round .357 Desert Eagle magazines), or in a conventional layout, using proprietary mags.

That would be cool, but don't rimmed revolver cartridges like the .357 have problems with ejector when used in automatic weapons?

Its harder to make a reliable 357, coonan 1911-ish magnums have a sweet rep though.

I'm pretty sure Coonan recently started production again

they did, and all reports are good, they even come with the 38 conversion spring.

As to the heavy barrels, the medium contour fal was tested and hit sub moa with match ammo, the standard barrel was a 2+ inch gun. I think a heavy barrel does affect it, say all you want about real world applications and "good enough" but i want the best i can get, especially if i used it in 3 gun or other competitions.

Where'd you get that information?

I have a Chuck Taylor article form 2005 that details little tweeks to give a plane jane fixed stock FN FAL a less than 1 MOA accuracy.

The one big issue i have with the article is that the shot strings are only three shots which is too few for proper statistical accuracy.

Still it does go to show what you can do to improve a Stock FN FAL.

Ill have to check that article....too bad i dont really like chuck taylor.

my sources are fal files, arfcom, and other forums from range reports, and i think the other was a solder of fiction article.

S&W should make versions of their .45 pistols (such as the 4506, 945, and 4566) that accept 1911 magazines. they would sell alot better than the versions that require you to buy mags from S&W and S&W only

I though mec gar made mags for the smith series?

They should make a new 4506, with no mag disconnect, and a frame mounted safety so you have the smith dependability and durability and none of the bad stuff. But the whole world seems to want polymer these days....

I've never seen any mags for it other than factory

It would be nice if the safety wasn't also a decocker so it could go condition one

I just hate having a safety on the slide, I wouldnt have it on on a da/sa to begin with, but id hate to accidentally activate it racking the slide, i slingshot since most slide releases are too stiff/small.

I don't have that problem, I release the slide using both hands. One hand pulls the slide back while the other presses on the slide release. I have to do this because the slide release is too tough and the springs too heavy for me to push down the release with just my index finger

Ive never tried the two hand thing actually, But slingshotting is just so fast and natural, of course on a cz or p210 or other narrow slide gun it may be hard.

I've never tried slingshotting the slide

I haven't compared the two but I think it would alter the grip angle.
I have only seen factory ones also, at least for the 4506 guns. Since they were used by LE's for while, surplus mags are around. I bought a group of 4 to save money.

I have yet to do it on any of mine by accident and I usually slingshot my pistols. I have to intentionally try to do it, in order to engage the safety. If you have a good enough hold on the slide, it shouldn't be a problem.

If you want to do a true speed reload, just drop the empty mag with one still in the chamber. Then you don't have to fool around with the slide.

Seriously, are we gonna have to discuss this again?

Modifying the 4506 to be more apt to 1911 fans is pointless too since S&W makes 1911s now. Mec-Gar doesn't make a 4506 mag though, but 4506 mags are not that uncommon with the magic of the internet either.

Its my preference, it doesnt need to be debated. But neither does 1911 vs glock but those threads go for ever....honestly i dont like manual safeties on DA guns.

All you would really have to do is make the grip a little shorter. You can already use modded 1911 mags in a 4506, but you get lesser rounds and you have to physically cut the mags

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OmM937IDGA

I wish smith would bring back some steel da/sa autos, but now everyone wants polymer.....

4506: At the most, $600

S&W1911: $900-$2000

Magazine for 4506: Pain in the ass to find, most available are used, S&W is the only game in town

Magazine for 1911: Everyone makes them, easy to find

It isn't a mod to make the 4506 appeal to 1911 fans, it's a mod for people who want a handgun that will work no matter what but like the option of being able to go to any gunstore in America and buy a magazine for their handgun

While I'd rather trust used S&W mags, if you got to have new. http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=222003964

Id like to see a camp carbine type gun again. Wood and blued or stainless. Give it a nice classic look, but be able to use common mags.

A ruger deerfield made to take desert eagle mags would be awesome too.