Shooting with finger on front of trigger guard.
 

It seems very looked down upon. But I was shooting a kimber today, and was pulling shots right. I tend to do that a lot. I put support finger on front of trigger guard, and slow fired, and started hitting center and fairly tight. i say this technique works for me. Why is it so frowned upon? When I get my own 1911 i may have the trigger guard serrated to try some rapid fire with this.

Some people do it but it's looked down because there's a possibility that your finger could slip and accidentally pull the trigger.

I've never heard anyone say it's stupid or frown upon it, no one credible at least. I see a fair amount of people do it and not do it so I always thought they were the top two grip options that people pick. I don't do it since my hands are small enough to wrap around the entirety of my fire hand, and it's just not comfortable to me, but my friend does it, and we're both at about the same competency when it comes to shooting handguns.

My hands are fairly large and I find it more confortable on single stacks and such. Also, that finger will not slip to the trigger, impossible, you'd have to try to do that.

I don't see why it's frowned upon, whatever works for you. If you're shooting to the right, you may be using too much trigger finger.

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I often pull to the right with my Hi-Powers because of the gritty pull.

Ive always tended to shoot right, i may really try to practice better trigger finger position. the finger on trigger guard thing actually seems to steady gun altogether and tighten groups real well though.

Common reasons for shooting off to one side include:

* Most rationally, your sights may be off. On 1911s with standard installed sights sometimes the sights get out of alignment and require a tap to get back to center. I had this problem at one point.

* Your form. Best way to keep the gun aligned properly is to keep your shooting arm straight and leveled with your dominant eye. Think of your arm like a rifle stock for better alignment.

* Trigger finger is important. Lots of shooters wrap their finger all the way around the trigger, which causes the gun to shoot off center because you are not pulling it straight back. Use the tip of your finger for the best control.

* Trigger weight. Make sure the trigger pull is reasonable. If it's too heavy, the struggle can offput your shots.

Address all those issues and you should be driving tacs all day long my friend.

I noticed this grip lets my support hand ride higher which will help with subcompacts, I never could grip a small gun confortably.

Damn that's a handy chart!

That's why most bigger people still do it, especially on smaller guns. I can't shoot subcompact Glocks without a grip/mag extension unless I move my support finger to the trigger guard. Otherwise, the palm of my support hand extends past the bottom of the grip and I don't have a firm hold on the gun.

Though I'd rather just buy the mag extension (and get the extra rounds) than shoot with my support finger on the trigger guard.

I generally just fold my pinky underneath the grip if it's too short

Most people wont carry with the extension, a barrel is way easier to hide than a grip too. At the range, sure, but thats not when it matters. And the thing is, I shoot better so i wll keep doing it.

I find that too awkward. Like I said, my preference would be to buy a grip extension for any gun I can't grip properly. But if one weren't available, I'd probably put my support finger on the trigger guard.

Also, without sounding like sexist, I think subcompact pistols really aren't suitable for anyone besides thin girls with small hands. Even for conceal carry, most compacts seem perfectly adequate. If I ever get my conceal carry permit (probably not in this state), I'll stick with a compact the size of a Glock 19.

I can see carrying something like a LCP jogging, with pants and a belt something like a p229 is good.

J frame or a compact S&W auto like the 3913 would be as small as I'd be able to go

I couldnt see carrying a 3913 in jogging shorts. I can see a flat 9 ounce gun. But if I wear my normal wear i say its good. You need arotation of carry guns. Not just one do it all.

If I had $1500, I'd go over to Collectors and buy the smoothest 1911 ( a compact Briley Advantage) I've ever handled to carry when I get a license

I sorta like the XDM 3.8 Compact

Id want a 4.0 inch barrel like the service model. i like sight radius, having short radius and long grip is dumb.

2/10ths of an inch is not that much sight radius, it's not going to affect your accuracy unless you are a machine that can achieve the maximum effect for which the gun was built.

The 3913 is also not a good carry gun, at least not by todays standards, or not in the league that a J frame or one of these Kel-Tec clones is. They're hefty guns, not much slimmer or shorter than their bigger counterparts like the 39 series (I'd just say 3906 but they are so damn hard to find) guns and the double stack 5906. Aside from being single stack, they're pretty much what the Glock 19 is to the Glock 17, or what the P228/P229 is to the SIG P226, and that's "not that much smaller".

Speaking of Kel-Tecs, they've sort of peaked my interest as carry type guns since they are light, they come in 9mm caliber, they are not starved for capacity like their cloned counterparts, and best of all, they are low cost. I'd like to fire one before I sink my money into one though, and I'm also not entirel off buying an old Model 60 for cool factor in concealed carry. Is that an old stainless .38 only Model 60? Fucking yeah it is.

Seen too many p3at problems before, no experience with 9 versions but the barand seems cheaply built and I hate DAO autos with a passion.

I wear a light jacket most of the year and I (as I have repeated before but you guys keep forgetting) am a fairly large guy. A 3913 would be for when I'm wearing a jacket, some kind of J-frame for when I'm not in a jacket

It seems to me that the XD, being as chunky a gun as it is, would get caught on something when you tried to draw.

You made it sound like the 3913 would be an excellent option for microcarry since you mentioned a tiny J frame and had followed up on k9870's speech on the LCP being good for jogging, and you didn't clarify it'd be a jacket gun.

Even so, if you're wearing a jacket, there are other, much better options than a 3913, like Matt's choice in a Glock 19, and even with your brand miopia on S&W, a 6906 is doable. It's only a bit thicker, and only be heavier by a few ounces, but most of those come from four extra rounds.

I can't wait to start CCing so I can figure out how much this large gun/weight stuff really does matter, and if I can find a place to stuff my Hi-Power.

It would be sweet to pack a Glock 19 or a BHP. The 6906 would in fact be better than a 3913, if I could find one ( although I'm pretty sure a shop nearby has something similiar)

I have had my CCL since last Sept. I have yet to carry anything but my Model 442 j-frame outside my house. Around the house I carried my SW1911 Commander and one of my BHPs, to see how they would feel. They are both comfortable in a Milt Sparks VM-2. (using one of Milt's belts also.) I thought sitting down would be the problem, it isn't. Getting up is where problems arise, my shirt wants to ride up on the gun. (What's out of the holster is the enemy.) With a jacket it wouldn't be a problem, but in FL even during the wintertime you have days where it's cold as hell, other days it's not. I might eventually look into getting some larger shirts. I have also thought about going with a bobtail on my Colt Commander project, even though I don't care for the looks of them. They allow a shirt to drape down smoothly. Also S&Wshooter, how can you stand wearing a jacket even a light one in Texas all year round? Texas may be a dry heat but still.

There's been some news going around about FL allowing OC, which would be sweet. I wouldn't do it under most cases, but it would nice that if my shirt rides up and gun is exposed it's not big deal.

My local gun shop had a 3913 the last time I was in there. It looked to me like a nice piece to have in a carry rotation.

Dry heat? There is no such thing as dry on the Gulf Coast.

I wear a M85 Field Jacket almost year round, but it really doesn't bother me and since I'm inside in the air conditioning most of the time and I withstand heat better than most people I know.

I had no idea where you where in Texas. It's been a number of years since I visted Texas and it wasn't along the coast.

Humidity is super high along the coast. It's pleasant whenever it is cold though

Um, you prefer smith and wesson autos, the biggest chunkiest most overbuilt guns ever. l like smiths and XDs, but calling the XD big and chunky when your favorite is a 4506 is a little out there.

Which is why I'd never try to CC it. It would get snagged when I try to draw it

XDs are also faily light being polymer, I like the service better than the M for feel and balance though. Its a nice pistol. And I absolutely hate glock, which should tell ya something.

XD's just aren't me. I can see why people like them, but upon handling one, it just didn't spark any interest for me

Im not a platic gun guy, but the XD impressed me, nice night sights on some models, good feel in hand balance, trigger is a bit longer and heavier than i like but smooth and consistent unlike the creepy two stage glock deal. And i heard the springer action job their custom shop does makes it feel great.