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k9870 01-14-2011 03:09 PM

Why do I like DA revolvers but hate DAO pistols?
 
I dont get it, I shoot a DAO or DAK Semi, and i hate it, but i love revolvers?

predator20 01-14-2011 04:05 PM

I find that the da trigger on revolvers are much better than semi's. More clean.

BurtReynoldsMoustache 01-14-2011 07:03 PM

I don't understand why anyone would want a DAO semiautomatic. :confused:

k9870 01-14-2011 07:22 PM

People who care more about the liklihood of being sued than defending their family?

ManiacallyChallenged 01-15-2011 03:20 PM

You ever been to TVTropes? Revolvers are just better!
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.ph...sAreJustBetter

FIVETWOSEVEN 01-24-2011 11:49 PM

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I don't understand why anyone would want a DAO semiautomatic.
Police departments sometimes mandate DAO firearms.

Revolvers aren't better than autoloaders. The advantage of reliability is a thing of the past because of how reliable autos are nowadays. The only actual advantage is power but even then that power isn't necessary.

k9870 01-25-2011 12:31 AM

Revolvers are fun to shoot, mechanically simple for inexperienced shooters, have more powerful chamberings for hunting and are more accurate for bullseye competition, did i also mention fun to shoot? An auto may be a better self defense gun but revolvers are still here and awesome. Also, as a pocket gun, ive seen too many micro autos fail. A pocket revovler may be better.

k9870 01-25-2011 11:47 PM

I dont see why so many people see a revovler as outdated, I say they are still awesome.

S&Wshooter 01-25-2011 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by k9870 (Post 24757)
I dont see why so many people see a revovler as outdated, I say they are still awesome.

Revolvers are cooler

k9870 01-26-2011 12:12 AM

Not to mention significantly better for field and hunting use.

Zulu Two Six 01-26-2011 02:04 AM

dude, revolvers are kickass
i'd rather have a revolver than a automatic
cough cough S&W model 60 cough cough

k9870 01-26-2011 02:06 AM

8 shot 627, partial lug, 4 inch, action job, moon clipped, chamfered and polished cylinders, pachmayr grips. Ultimate revolver.

S&Wshooter 01-26-2011 03:15 AM

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Originally Posted by k9870 (Post 24764)
8 shot 627, partial lug, 4 inch, action job, moon clipped, chamfered and polished cylinders, pachmayr grips. Ultimate revolver.

686 FTW. It's actually acquireable

k9870 01-26-2011 03:22 AM

Who says you can only own one smith and wesson?

S&Wshooter 01-26-2011 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by k9870 (Post 24771)
Who says you can only own one smith and wesson?

Have revolvers carrying 5 shots, 6 shots, 7 shots, and 8 shots!

Zulu Two Six 01-26-2011 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by S&Wshooter (Post 24786)
Have revolvers carrying 5 shots, 6 shots, 7 shots, and 8 shots!

smith and wesson 317?

Yournamehere 01-26-2011 01:55 PM

It's funny to see you guys with revolver boners talk about Smiths that are still in their catalog. I'd take my buddy's 70's workhorse Model 65 over anything you all have mentioned.

And it can't be that hard to get ahold of a 627. I've shot one (and I enjoy my Model 19 a whole lot more : D).

Oh yeah for the sake of being on topic, DAO pistols offer the safety of a double action trigger, with a consistent trigger pull. If the weight were light enough, it wouldn't be so bad, but usually they aren't, well over 10 pounds or so, and assuredly worse than a good revolver trigger, all kinds of creep everywhere. Then, you have the fact that you have to pull that nicely tuned double action revolver trigger 5, 6 or however many times to expend all of your shots, whereas you have to pull that DAO auto trigger 15 times, and it's going to be crappier every time. I can see it being really awesome if it's done right, but the thing is, it isn't really ever done right. SIG DAKs are probably the closest anything comes to a good DAO, since they are set at the good SIG DA trigger weight, but goddamn SIG triggers are creeptastic, I wouldn't be surprised if it were too.

k9870 01-26-2011 02:00 PM

I like k frames but want something that can conortably shoot magnums all day, and hold 8 shots.

Yournamehere 01-26-2011 02:21 PM

A 627 can't shoot Magnums all day, at least not forever. The one I used was broken, in fact. The single action sear was nearly nonexistent, making cocking the hammer almost impossible, and when it would stay at full cock, the slightest tap on the hammer would send it forward. Not only that, but the gun had developed a gap between the frame and the cylinder, which had gotten so big that the firing pin wouldn't always strike the primer fully, resulting in, what, misfires.

I'll be honest, I may be confusing the 627 with the 620 I shot in the same day, but in any case, the modern Smith did not survive it's usage without scars. On the other end, K frames have been reported with cracked forcing cones, but it'll take the hottest loads or handloads and repeated useage of them to cause that, and in shooting all those loads, your wrist and wallet are also going to hurt and your really just forcing overkill through your gun. Even mid power .357 loads are ballistically superior to a lot of autopistol loads, so unless you're trying to hunt big game with your small gun by feeding it gigantic loads like that, you're overdoing it severely (and even then, the forcing cone only may crack, it's not definite).

This probably isn't the rule, but it's what I've experienced and what I've come to find as some kind of truth. Granted an old Smith does not hold 8 shots, it's still just as, if not more serviceable than a modern one in my opinion, and in getting one, you have a new level of pride of ownership and a lot of money saved in your pocket to boot.

k9870 01-26-2011 02:43 PM

Id be happy with any smith honestly. The old blued guns without the lock look better to me but they all shoot just as well. Of course my opinions vary from internet consensus, kinda like how I hate colt.

Jcordell 01-26-2011 05:05 PM

I was twelve in 1980 when my father began my firearms education. He was an Idaho State Trooper so he naturally used his duty revolver as one of the weapons he introduced to me.

It was a S&W Model 65 with a 4" barrel. I fired 38 special full wadcutters. Probably 148 grain.

I also started with my dad's S&W Model 36 which was by my request. I had loved that little revolver since he had gotten it some five years earlier. Guess I watched too many detective movies. I still like that little revolver. So much that I now own my own.

Last of all was his S&W K-22 Target Masterpiece.

When it finally came time for me to own my own handgun it was a Colt Trooper Mk III with a 6" barrel. Christmas 1983.

Once in a great while I would shoot dad's Colt Commander or his Walther PPK. But 45 acp and .380 was expensive. 38 wadcutter loads were provided by ISP to the troopers for practice. It was plentiful.

Cut my teeth on revolvers. Then as the years went by I became infatuated with semi-autos. Revolvers were clunky and old-fashioned. I wanted Sig, Beretta, Browning, Glock and H&K.

I spent many years in the U.S. Army and was totally happy with all the automatics and semi-automatics. Entered into my law enforcement career in 2000 and carried a Sig Sauer P220 (45acp). Didn't miss revolvers. However my Colt Trooper was still in my safe. Hadn't shot it in years, but it was still there.

Fast forward to November 2003. I was at a local gunshow. For some reason ,that I still don't understand, a S&W M28 Highway Patrolman w/6" barrel caught my eye. I don't know why. I found myself looking at it and I began to remember those first shooting lessons with dad in the summer of 1980. Suddenly I knew that I had to have it. Didn't even haggle over the price. $350.00 and I walked out with a revolver. After twenty years I had bought a revolver.

I now have ten revolvers. The Sig P220 went for a trade to get one of those revolvers now in my safe and I now carry a Glock 19 as my duty sidearm.

I haven't quit semi-autos. I own four of them (G19,G26, Colt M1908 Hammerless and a Browning Buckmark) and I like them. However revolvers speak to me of a different time and place. In the practical sense they've helped me become a better shooter. Old fashioned or not I like them. Both revolvers and semi-autos have their strengths and weaknesses. Neither reigns supreme over the other.

S&Wshooter 01-26-2011 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Yournamehere (Post 24790)
And it can't be that hard to get ahold of a 627. I've shot one (and I enjoy my Model 19 a whole lot more : D).

It'd be pretty difficult to get one in the exact configuration k9870 specified unless you visit a loan shark to get the amount of cash you would need to special order it

k9870 01-26-2011 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by S&Wshooter (Post 24799)
It'd be pretty difficult to get one in the exact configuration k9870 specified unless you visit a loan shark to get the amount of cash you would need to special order it

Just buy the 627, may need to order one if not in store. then send it to clark custom guns down in louisiana for work. Im not expecting a super revovler from the factory.

I see semis as being a much more useful self defense tool, but when it comes to shooting fun, I want some of each.

funkychinaman 01-26-2011 07:46 PM

I prefer revolvers for the same reason I like DA/SA autos, I like having a choice. I don't think I can ever get a DAO revolver. (I was looking at a Ruger LCR though, because it was light and looked cool, but the guy wouldn't let me test the trigger pull.) I remember I was looking for a concealed carry gun, and it came down to a Kel Tec PF9 or a snub revolver, and I went with the revolver, because I wanted something I can enjoy shooting at the range as well. I would like to work on my DA shooting though.

k9870 01-26-2011 07:52 PM

the lcr trigger is supposed to be sweet, and its a pocket gun for close range defense not a precision shooter. Id like one as a BUG some day, or a light clothes carry option (small gun beats no gun.)

funkychinaman 01-26-2011 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by k9870 (Post 24822)
the lcr trigger is supposed to be sweet, and its a pocket gun for close range defense not a precision shooter. Id like one as a BUG some day, or a light clothes carry option (small gun beats no gun.)

My requirements at the time were that it could either be a revolver or auto, had to be concealable in both hot and cold weather, preferably either in 9mm or .38 (since I already had 9mm and .38 guns) and preferably something I'd enjoy at the range as well.

All I wanted to do was dry fire the LCR, and I always ask first. The problem was, it had one of those plastic plates in there, and dry firing would've destroyed it, so the guy said no. Oh well.

k9870 01-26-2011 08:49 PM

Wow the cabelas near me allowed dry firing but only for people 21 and up.

ManiacallyChallenged 01-27-2011 05:40 AM

I was at a Cabela's that had trigger locks on pretty much all their stuff, and they had signs up saying not to move any parts. I guess they didn't want people to fiddle with the bolts on the rifles or whatever.

Does leaving a firearm cocked for a long time put unnecessary stress on the internals? That might explain it.

FIVETWOSEVEN 02-10-2011 08:24 PM

The trigger pull on the LCR is pretty sweet, I just don't like the way it looks or the fact that its a DAO.


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