Little Mistakes You Notice.
 

I was watching Monk today and there was a California Highway Patrol officer using a Beretta 92FS. CHP uses the S&W 4006. :mad:

Anyone else got any similar stories?

Basketweave holsters used by SFPD.

http://www.somethingawful.com/d/news...ies.php?page=2

Beretta 92fs used by gangbangers, frequently, they'd probably carry a hi point, a taurus snub etc.

Lorcin, Glock, Jimenez, S&W Sigma, Ruger 9mm...

A glock is like the cadillac of gangbanger guns, seriously in real life all the confiscated guns are crap, on tv its new berettas sigs kimbers whatever.

In Beaumont Glocks are pretty common. Those dudes have money to blow because of all the crack they move, I guess

Official ATF list of most common guns used in crime.

1. Smith and Wesson .38 revolver
2. Ruger 9 mm semiautomatic
3. Lorcin Engineering .380 semiautomatic
4. Raven Arms .25 semiautomatic
5. Mossberg 12 gauge shotgun
6. Smith and Wesson 9mm semiautomatic
7. Smith and Wesson .357 revolver
8. Bryco Arms 9mm semiautomatic
9. Bryco Arms .380 semiautomatic
10. Davis Industries .380 semiautomatic

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/nation/arti...#ixzz11jGvQadf

I wonder why so many S&W's are on that list

They are the largest handgun manufacturer in the USA.

How the hell did I not know that already?

That's from 2002, I'm sure the Raven isn't on that list anymore.

Actually I wrote that!!!! Since I've worked on films shot in San Francisco and actors dressed like cops, I tend to talk to and take note of the real SF cops who are there on set. During filming of one of Monk's pickup shots (some days they did go to San Francisco for establishing shots)(edit:I was visiting the set because my buddy was playing a SF cop), I spoke to a real SF cop on duty. That was when he mentioned the difference between the basketweave holsters they used for the 'fake cops' on the show, and the real holsters they used on the force. The real ones (I can't remember the exact make and model) had a suspension arm which held the holster out and away from the body, so the gun nor holster never really touched your hip. It was also a really EXPENSIVE holster to use.

I don't like that blog because he kinda misquoted me (or else I did not write my thoughts clearly). I never said that SFPD did NOT use basketweave. I said that the style of holster was not one used by SFPD.

BTW, that was the show (Monk) where I learned that SFPD ditched the Beretta 92FS, went to the S&W M&P for six months, ditched that and now the department standard is the SIG-Sauer P226 Stainless. Good choice in my book :)

What was wrong with the S&W M&P pistols?

Any particular reason for the Stainless model? For some reason I'd think that a police department would have a no frills attitude on their firearms and would select a blued model.

Six months is a really short time. That must have been expensive.

Doh! The SIG-Sauer P226 Stainless IS not a SS finish. The gun is built out of stainless material that has a coated finish on it (see image of the P220R Stainless from "Live Free or Die Hard")
http://www.imfdb.org/images/3/35/SIG...reeDieHard.jpg

my bad, haha

Check out this announcement from Los Angeles Sheriffs Dept. Pretty Damning isn't it?

S&W's hurting, that's a given.

i heard of a PD there getting a batch with bad extractors.

*Is late to the conversation*

The S&Ws are on there because they are cheap, like the rest of the guns on the list, not so much because they are the "largest handgun manufacturer in the USA".

Also, interesting article, MPM.

Well, I guess the M&P is a craptastic pistol. S&W needs to stick with metal guns, seeing as any polymer gun they make is horrible

The m&P, like most guns, had issues taking off, buts now a good gun, knowplenty of happy owners. All guns have trouble, hearing trouble with gen 4 glocks now.

I like the M&P quite a bit. I've got a significant number of rounds through a friend of mine's 9mm M&P and I find it to be a great pistol. It's very accurate and feels great in my hands. I know of many other people who also like theirs. However, when I think of Smith and Wesson I will admit I don't think of polymer handguns.

That's NOT the issue with police departments. Having one in fifty fail is unacceptable. The Single user is different than a department. YOU can luck out and get a great gun, but it should NOT be a crap shoot. Apparently there were multiple BAD guns in entire batches sent to a large department like SFPD and LA Sheriff.

Those were older isolated problems, new runs seem almost 100%, i dont know any unsatisfied users. Almost any gun will have problems from the start and take a while to iron it out, the m16 for example, military standard issue, and those sucked bad in the beginning.

Again, You're ONE GUY. You may know a few guys. That sampling is way too small to be valid to determine whether or not a gun has a quality control problem or not.

I haven't heard many good things about the M&P

I'm not really disagreeing with you, my comment was MY personal opinion on the M&P directed towards S&Wshooters comment "I guess the M&P is a craptastic pistol." Everyone has different opinions on different guns and I'm perfectly ok with that.

Just saying you cant base a gun based on performance of the ffirst models, a lot of guns, almost all, have teething problems. Glock failed at first but dont see anyone saying its unfit for duty based on the first models. It looks like smith and wesson has ironed out some flaws.

All M&P are shot at the factory with two full mags. One for speed to see if jams happen and the second is to test its accuracy...if that M&P doesn't past one of the two it doesnt leave the factory.

LOL at the efficacy of a 30 round stress test. :D

The performance of a springfield professional is the most impressive ive heard of.

Haven't talked to enough people who own them. But every time I look at the Handguns section of Armslist, or the Classifieds on other gun boards I visit, it seems as though there are a lot of people trying to sell or trade M&Ps. When I was trying to sell my 4506, I had four guys who made me trade offers on TFL. Guess what two of them wanted to trade? M&Ps.

What I figure this means is that the M&P is really, REALLY popular and there are just lots floating around (like 1911s and Glocks), or people who buy them tend to hate them and try to sell them quickly. And I'm guessing the latter reason is why, because I haven't seen anyone shooting an M&P at my range yet. Of course, that's still an anecdote.

First of all, what do you mean by "failed"? That word implies serious design flaws. The main reason Glocks were not accepted by most militaries/LE agencies when they first came out was because the polymer-framed pistol was still a new and unproven concept in the 80s, so most people weren't willing to embrace it immediately. That's why all of the M9 entries were all-metal pistols, and it's also why you didn't see too many American or European police agencies starting to issue Glocks until the early-90s.

With the M&P, the same issue doesn't apply. It is simply (by many accounts) not a particularly good pistol, and it has quality issues. It's not like it's a revolutionary or unproven design, as Glocks were 25 years ago.

I've met quite a few people who have owned them and the general consensus is that it isn't that great. My cousin's father bought 3 (one for him, one for his wife and one for my cousin) after he sold a handful of Rugers he bought but didn't like. After owning them for a while (few months) he sold them, bought him and his wife a used Glock each and got my cousin an old Ruger revolver

First gen glocks had problems with firing pin force, and some of the new forth gens are having problems with weak recoil springs.

Well back on the original topic.
I was looking at the unit page and noticed a couple of things.

- A couple of "Regular Army" soldiers have their helmet covers on backwards.

- No IR Tabs or IR Tab covers

-"Americal" 23rd Infantry Division Patch patch

America + Tactical= Americal :p

Guns in ankle holsters that are way to big to be in an ankle holster. Example: In that resident evil movie where somebody pulled a glock 17 out, and countless movies where you think "well, that gun is able to be carried but would be too unconfortable to do everyday"

Just saw a guy pull a glock 19 or 17 out of a boot on burn notice, like an ankle is a carry place