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k9870 09-21-2010 01:24 PM

Gun trends you dont understand....
 
Some things pop up that people think is cool, fad for the gun world.

What I dont understand is:

Hatred of squared trigger guards. Some people will debate that squared guards are inferior to a rounded one for ever without stating a reason, I heard once "it may catch on clothes" but that seems like crap.

The taurus judge......just, the fact it exists.....

Making guns lighter at all costs. I can understand a concealed carry gun but not a duty gun. Especially in big calibers. A 22-25 ounce polymer pistol may be great for 9mm but not in say 357 magnum or .45

BurtReynoldsMoustache 09-21-2010 05:33 PM

M4 stocks on everything. Why? The design was intended to accomodate the AR15 buffer tube. There is no reason to put one on a shotgun.

k9870 09-21-2010 05:51 PM

and i hate the standard m4 stock, there are so many better options, like the vltor, that offer good confortable cheek weld.

And ultra shorty ar-15s. a 7.5 or 10.5 inch barrel is horrible for range, and you see people jumping through hoops with class 3 to chop a 16 inch barrel down to 14.5, like an inch and a half will make a difference

MT2008 09-21-2010 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by BurtReynoldsMoustache (Post 19382)
M4 stocks on everything. Why? The design was intended to accomodate the AR15 buffer tube. There is no reason to put one on a shotgun.

That's a good one. I've never fired a shotgun with an M4 stock, but does it really offer any advantage over the traditional side- or top-folding stocks? Or do people use them just for the sake of looking "tacticool"?

And of course, it goes without saying that anyone who sticks an M4 stock on their Ruger 10/22 is a poser.

S&Wshooter 09-21-2010 07:19 PM

I know for a fact that squared trigger guards on Smith autos are a bit smaller than rounded ones, which may (usually does) cause discomfort

k9870 09-21-2010 07:33 PM

On reasonably sized autos (sig, xd, etc) i like to rest my trigger finger on the front of the trigger guard. A lot more confortable and secure. Some autos, like the beretta, are too big for this. Also, on railed guns, a light looks more flush to a squared guard.

BurtReynoldsMoustache 09-21-2010 07:35 PM

What about trends that never caught on or haven't caught on fast enough. Why don't all rifles use translucent magazines?

Jcordell 09-21-2010 08:12 PM

Laser sights and flashlights on everything. Sure they serve a purpose, but they're getting carried away.

Cammo patterns on shotguns, rifles, handguns, slingshots, pocketknives. How in the world did my poor old grandfather manage to bring home any game when he was growing up in the 1930's without any tacti-cool cammo shotguns? All he had was a blued-steel Remington Model 10. Poor old grandpa. It's a good thing he didn't starve before he made my dad or I wouldn't be here now.

k9870 09-21-2010 08:14 PM

How about people buying desert camo shotguns when they live in snowy/forest areas? I always see a desert camo benelli m4 at every gunshop. As to translucent magazines, its probably a cost issue or low demand.

MT2008 09-21-2010 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by BurtReynoldsMoustache (Post 19394)
What about trends that never caught on or haven't caught on fast enough. Why don't all rifles use translucent magazines?

Mostly a path dependency issue. There are gazillions of metal AK and AR mags floating around, and have been since before translucent mags even existed.

BurtReynoldsMoustache 09-21-2010 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by MT2008 (Post 19386)
That's a good one. I've never fired a shotgun with an M4 stock, but does it really offer any advantage over the traditional side- or top-folding stocks? Or do people use them just for the sake of looking "tacticool"?

And of course, it goes without saying that anyone who sticks an M4 stock on their Ruger 10/22 is a poser.

http://imgur.com/l0hvL.jpg

Yournamehere 09-21-2010 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by S&Wshooter (Post 19390)
I know for a fact that squared trigger guards on Smith autos are a bit smaller than rounded ones, which may (usually does) cause discomfort

I thought we went over this once before. The squared trigger guard shave just as much space as the rounded trigger guards (in both 2nd and 3rd Gen models) if not more space.

All the other trends are notable, but I've not heard many people adamantly suggest the rounded guard is better, but quite the opposite. Aside from hardcore 1911 guys, most tacticool people prefer the squared trigger guard so they can wrap their support hand index finger around the front easier, i:e fulfill the purpose of it's existence. I do understand that someone else would want to do that, but I never shoot like that. I also don't suggest that round trigger guards are more tactically sound, they just have a more classic look that I can enjoy. If I ever do find a round guard fanboy out there, rest assured I will laugh at them.

The M4 stocks is a really good one though.

S&Wshooter 09-21-2010 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Yournamehere (Post 19416)
I thought we went over this once before. The squared trigger guard shave just as much space as the rounded trigger guards (in both 2nd and 3rd Gen models) if not more space.

Last time I was a Collectors I held 2 S&W autos that were almost exactly the same side-by-side. One had a rounded guard and one had a squared guard.
Squared trigger guard was a tiny bit smaller, but that tiny bit made a difference

S&Wshooter 09-21-2010 09:14 PM

Why exactly are two-tone guns popular? I've never seen the appeal

k9870 09-21-2010 09:20 PM

some look cool. Ive never liked engraved guns or guns with big billboard logos though, i like nice clean lines.

Clutch 09-21-2010 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by BurtReynoldsMoustache (Post 19413)

Weirdly, that ALMOST looks like it makes sense.

Nyles 09-21-2010 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Checkman (Post 19405)
Laser sights and flashlights on everything. Sure they serve a purpose, but they're getting carried away.

Cammo patterns on shotguns, rifles, handguns, slingshots, pocketknives. How in the world did my poor old grandfather manage to bring home any game when he was growing up in the 1930's without any tacti-cool cammo shotguns? All he had was a blued-steel Remington Model 10. Poor old grandpa. It's a good thing he didn't starve before he made my dad or I wouldn't be here now.

Yes. YES. The deer don't know the difference. I can see it on a military weapon, but it's totally unnecessary on a sporting gun. I can't even count the number of times a day I get asked "Well why don't you have it in camo?" Sometimes the finish is peeling off already when I take out the gun in the store.

Oh, and guns with ridiculous muzzle brakes. At my store we have Mossberg .22s, .308s and shotguns with the Barret .50 cal-style muzzle brake, and another with a round pop-can sized brake with a picatinny rail on the bottom. It's absurd. And the Remington's with the breaching attachment. I have no objection to a civilian having one, but why would they need it?

S&Wshooter 09-21-2010 10:01 PM

Why did CZ decide to take a beautiful pistol, the CZ75, and make it so ugly?

k9870 09-21-2010 10:15 PM

The standard cz 75 and 85 look nice. Its all the spin offs that look weird, like the phantom.

S&Wshooter 09-21-2010 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by k9870 (Post 19427)
The standard cz 75 and 85 look nice. Its all the spin offs that look weird, like the phantom.

The weird looking ones are just about the only ones I've ever seen for sale

BurtReynoldsMoustache 09-21-2010 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Nyles (Post 19423)
And the Remington's with the breaching attachment. I have no objection to a civilian having one, but why would they need it

Sometimes you want to scare the living piss out of your roommate.

k9870 09-21-2010 10:48 PM

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The weird looking ones are just about the only ones I've ever seen for sale
I see mostly polycoat 75bs, some nickle, and some 85 combats, which is cool, since the 85 has no stupid mag disconnect safety.

AdAstra2009 09-21-2010 11:19 PM

Picatinny and bulging accessory rails(pistols) on every new weapon....

I think it looks messy/clunky/dumb, especially if you don't intend on putting any costly accessories on your gun.

Without the rails is looks cleaner and more streamlined IMO

Gunmaster45 09-22-2010 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Checkman (Post 19405)
Laser sights and flashlights on everything. Sure they serve a purpose, but they're getting carried away.

Cammo patterns on shotguns, rifles, handguns, slingshots, pocketknives. How in the world did my poor old grandfather manage to bring home any game when he was growing up in the 1930's without any tacti-cool cammo shotguns? All he had was a blued-steel Remington Model 10. Poor old grandpa. It's a good thing he didn't starve before he made my dad or I wouldn't be here now.

I love the Remington Model 10, your Grandpa had good taste. : )

MT2008 09-22-2010 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by S&Wshooter (Post 19418)
Why exactly are two-tone guns popular? I've never seen the appeal

Blasphemy! I think two-tone guns look nice, especially SIGs. Someday, I want another 226 in two-tone.

Or at least, I think the combination of a black frame and nickel slide looks nice. I'm not so much a fan of the current trend we see in polymer pistols (black slides with tan- or camo-colored frames).

MT2008 09-22-2010 02:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Clutch (Post 19421)
Weirdly, that ALMOST looks like it makes sense.

An M4 stock on an RPG? I don't think so. If you extended it out to full length and tried to fire it that way, you'd be just in front of the back blast.

And it must look hideously awkward just holding it that way... :D

S&Wshooter 09-22-2010 02:05 AM

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Originally Posted by MT2008 (Post 19453)
Blasphemy! I think two-tone guns look nice, especially SIGs. Someday, I want another 226 in two-tone.

Or at least, I think the combination of a black frame and nickel slide looks nice. I'm not so much a fan of the current trend we see in polymer pistols (black slides with tan- or camo-colored frames).

Two tone is what all the gangstas around here buy (specifically, two tone Sigmas)

Clutch 09-22-2010 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by MT2008 (Post 19455)
An M4 stock on an RPG? I don't think so. If you extended it out to full length and tried to fire it that way, you'd be just in front of the back blast.

And it must look hideously awkward just holding it that way... :D

Well, I did say almost...

Maybe I was just fascinated with the idea of mounting an EOTech on an RPG. Wonder why no one's actually tried that yet...

Markost 09-22-2010 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Clutch (Post 19472)
Maybe I was just fascinated with the idea of mounting an EOTech on an RPG. Wonder why no one's actually tried that yet...

In some countries, the EOTech is more expensive than the launcher.

funkychinaman 09-22-2010 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Clutch (Post 19472)
Well, I did say almost...

Maybe I was just fascinated with the idea of mounting an EOTech on an RPG. Wonder why no one's actually tried that yet...

You have to give them credit for using off the shelf parts.

Jcordell 09-22-2010 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Gunmaster45 (Post 19446)
I love the Remington Model 10, your Grandpa had good taste. : )

Yes he did. He left me a Colt Detective Special when he passed away (1923 - 2004) and a Marlin Model 60. I still own both of them.

But I wish he had held onto the Remington Model 10. Evidently he also had a Mauser C/96 Broomhandle (when he was a kid) which was mostly used in the fall when they slaughtered the hogs. Hard to say what happened to those two guns.

MT2008 09-22-2010 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Markost (Post 19473)
In some countries, the EOTech is more expensive than the launcher.

Pretty much any country, actually. RPG launchers are often only a little more expensive than AKs (sometimes even cheaper). I'm guessing that for the price of one EOTech, most Third World armies could buy enough RPGs to equip a platoon of infantry (maybe even a company).

Rockwolf66 09-22-2010 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by MT2008 (Post 19386)
And of course, it goes without saying that anyone who sticks an M4 stock on their Ruger 10/22 is a poser.

Well I have an Archangel stock on my 10/22, I guess I'm a poser then.:D

It does in fact come in hands when you have at least six inches in height on your GF.

Spartan198 09-22-2010 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Checkman (Post 19405)
Cammo patterns on shotguns, rifles, handguns, slingshots, pocketknives.

Maybe the reasoning behind that is the same idea as wearing camo clothing. ;)

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Originally Posted by BurtReynoldsMoustache (Post 19413)

I want one. XD

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Originally Posted by MT2008 (Post 19455)
An M4 stock on an RPG? I don't think so. If you extended it out to full length and tried to fire it that way, you'd be just in front of the back blast.

It looks like it'd be in the ideal firing position, what reason would there be to extend it? At least it makes a bit more sense than where the vertical grip is located or how far below the actual trigger the pistol grip is.

Not arguing the set-up is practical or anything, just saying. ;)

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Originally Posted by Clutch (Post 19472)
Maybe I was just fascinated with the idea of mounting an EOTech on an RPG. Wonder why no one's actually tried that yet...

That's an ITL MARS red dot, not an EOTech.

Clutch 09-23-2010 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Spartan198 (Post 19497)
That's an ITL MARS red dot, not an EOTech.

Oops.

I'm gonna shut up now.

*returns to desk*

MT2008 09-23-2010 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Clutch (Post 19535)
Oops.

I'm gonna shut up now.

*returns to desk*

*Shrugs* Eh, whatever, I made the same mistake. All holosights look like EOTechs to me (most of them are so expensive that I can't even contemplate owning any, so I don't bother reading much about 'em).

MT2008 09-23-2010 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Rockwolf66 (Post 19492)
Well I have an Archangel stock on my 10/22, I guess I'm a poser then.:D

It does in fact come in hands when you have at least six inches in height on your GF.

Yep, sure are. :D


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