Wayyyyy to many video games
 

Oh what the hell. This has been bugging me so I'm going to vent. Some of you know me and you have probably figured out that I don't provoke other posters here or on imfdb. But lately I've noticed that imfdb, you know the movie firearms database, seems to have been taken over by the gamers. Shouldn't they have their own database? Not to mention that it seems many of the contributers who are into the games can be awfully damm rude. Couple have been banned for being little assholes actually.

I don't worry about the animation because that is within the criteria in my opinion. But flipping video games? And now it seems that more than half the time all the new pages are video games. Many of them consist of bizzare made up weapons or really awful artwork of actual weapons being used by computer cartoon characters. Ugh.

Ok I've closed the vent and yes I know that I'm showing my age. But I wanted to get that out there. Yes I know it's only my opinion and opinions are like you know what. Everyone has one. No I don't expect any changes. No I don't spend alot of time on the computer game pages.

And for those you don't know (and actually care) I go by Jcordell on imfdb.

Well, that's what you get when a bunch of stupid kids get on the site. No, I'm not talking about the IMFDB contributors who are younger than 18 who are Smart and good page makers and intelligent. Even our younger IMFDB members know whom I'm talking about. The idiotic fanboy jerks who have no life, no manners, and are ... well ... really young.

I'm working a lot this summer, so I have little time to police the site, but when I get breaks I try to. If their video game page is lame (and believe me, many of them are) and they have not shown improvement over time, I will delete them. I don't care if they whine, bitch and complain (and they have ... directly to ME). IMFDB needs to try at least to uphold a standard and having F*&%KING 12 year olds (yes, I've asked for ages before and one member who wanted to make a BUNCH Of changes was actually TWELVE!) constantly editing the site.

Again, I'm a movie buff. I work in movies as well. I don't play video games. I was never in support of including games because, regardless of what game fans say, THEY'RE NOT REAL GUNS. They will ALWAYS be the product of some artist's imagination. If the Artist does a good and accurate depiction of a real gun, so what? What do we get from tracking that information? What does it tell us?

The real world movies, by their nature, have to have REAL THREE DIMENSIONAL WEAPONS. So it is interesting to know what weapons were in what movie and also, how did they get the guns? (many myths have been answered on IMFDB (fake mockups, C&C HK94s, using Chinese AKs for Russian, fake DShKs from M2s, etc. etc.) those are more pertinent because people really do wonder where they came from. NO ONE wonders where a two dimensional artwork came from. Duh. It came from the fingers of the artist.

But that's MY opinion, of course. Now some members have done some great VG pages, but I still don't like the concept of including VG guns since as you said, so many of them are really bad MUTANT drawings of real guns and the idiotic game makers misidentify them, renamed them and give them fantasy characteristics.

IMDB lists TV shows, video games, even porn. Why shouldn't we. (I think we can forget about porn but you get the idea.) The problem isn't that we list video games, it's that we have no criteria for who is allowed to edit the site. All the more reason to adopt some sort of troll filtering system.

I can't tell you how many times I've deleted the Halo page and listen to some guy bitch about how unfair I am being. No, screw him, the guns in Halo are not based on real guns. The developers even admit in interviews that they are not and any resembles to real guns are coincidental.

Make a Halo page, leave it blank, lock it. Problem solved.

Now that's a good idea. Glad to see that my post hasn't resulted in a flame war. I hesitated about posting, but I finally got tired of all the game pages.

Incidentally I'm 42. I remember when Pac Man and Space Invaders were cutting edge. :D

I'm feeling masochistic...can i do a sweep of the video games and delete all the ones that are just lists of guns without screen caps or in some cases even gun pictures or links to the gun pages?

I'll even provide the steaks for the barbecue...Please.

Are we that low on bandwith? Theres plenty of crappy movie and tv show pages that can go first.

Not even Close K9870. I just want to do a forum sweep of all the lame pages that need to just go to clean up the site. hell some fuckwit is makeing a second Counterstrike page. We allready have a page for the game and the new page is lame.

I can´t find the original Counter-Strike page. Where the hell is it?

We do have the "Rules, Standards and Principles" section. But I guess no one reads it and thinks it's decoration for the Main Page

Stupid people are less inclined to read things.

Well we have Counter Strike Source, and having played both counter strike and counter strike source I can honestly say that the only real difference is that source has better graphics and two new guns. We do not need 80 bazillion pages dedicated to videogames that are just improvements of one another.

Can you tell the difference in the images?

my sentiments exactly

We aren't IMDB

That's not a counterpoint. If your entire argument is that we are the Internet MOVIE Firearms Database, then we shouldn't have TV shows either. If the rationale is that animated/rendered firearms aren't physically real, then no video games or animated movies or animated television shows or anime should be allowed at all. It's Propmaster's site, so if he was opposed to video games from the beginning I don't understand why he gave in.

Just realized MPM isn't even a moderator here. So who actually does run this site?

Chris (Bunni) is the owner of the site. MPM is an administrator, which means that he is one of the people in charge of day-to-day operations.

Not all of the other Admins (there's about a dozen of us) feel the same way as MPM. Personally, I am not opposed to having video games on here. Even though the guns in video games are created by artists and do not exist in physical reality, the purpose of IMFDB is to identify weapons in the media. Since video games often don't use the real names of firearms (i.e. the AK-47 is called a "KF7" in Goldeneye for the N64), we are doing people a favor by telling them what weapons the games are depicting.

That being said, I agree with MPM and Checkman on one thing: Because many video game pages are often done by kids (under 18), we do seem to have to baby-sit those folks more than we do other members. I can't count the number of times I've had to delete poorly-done video game pages, or how many times I've had to tell users who created those pages to stick to the rules. It sort of comes with the territory, and it can be frustrating at times.

The Cs: Online page is crap. I´m editing it.

Well, I hope that there are, or will be, more creators and editors of Video Game pages that take the time to provide good screenshots and accurate info for a page, and if a certain firearm's exact identity is in doubt, that they take the time and effort to post informative screenshots to help the experts here make a conclusive identification. The "couldn't care less crowd" certainly isn't helping the users here who actually take the time and trouble to make useful and informative pages. Should there be a "probationary period" where new users have to first submit drafts for approval if they want to make new pages? That could prevent a lot of the junk pages from arising in the first place.

I hope that the entire Video Game category won't be jeapordized by the "couldn't care less crowd." I've put some work into it, and would hate to see it go to the cyberspace trash heap.

I've said this before, yes.

Nah, we don't need a probationary period. That would be too much bureaucracy for a Wiki. The only thing that we (the Admins) need to do is delete the pages that can't adhere to the rules and proper format. And if the person complains later, we can explain to them the error of their ways.

As for Video Games, yes, you've done many good pages, and I respect that. Unfortunately, many of the video game pages made by other users that I've seen are sub-standard.

And that is why I began this thread. Lately there seems to be an abundance of sub-standard video game pages. No I'm not calling for a ban, but it's gotten a bit ridiculous. Perhaps the heavy volume is because it's summer and school is out for summer break? Of course that only covers the contributers from the United States. Anyway like I said I was venting, but evidently I touched a nerve as well.

Dealing with poor contributors on a case by case basis like that sounds like a lot of effort that might as well go towards preventing the problem from occurring in the first place. I'm not an admin so I don't know, but it seems to me that it would get tiresome constantly deleting pages, dealing with irate requests for explanation, and then giving the same answer repeatedly to people who most likely are going to either; ignore the explanation and continue being poor contributors until they get banned, or just give up and never come back.

Well, since there's no way to tell just who's been viewing a page who hasn't edited it, I had no idea whether or not you've been looking at the pages I've created or majorly contributed to. I would like to think that there are more video game page contributors and creators like myself out here on this wiki who make honest efforts for this category.

Still, sometimes I'm a little disappointed at the lack of "wiki magic" here on what seems to be an increasingly popular site. Of course, it could be the fact that the games I've made pages/majorly contributed for are either older or less popular, so less people know about them and are less likely to contribute. One of my later pages for No One Lives Forever still has aspects about its firearms I can't figure out, but no one seems to look around there, and I don't want to annoy the admins of this site to come look at my pages specifically and possibly lose my account.

I wonder if that bodes ill for pages of less-known games. I've got a nice page lined up for an older survival horror title that features flintlock muskets and an old snubnose top-break revolver, but if no one's going to help identify them I'm not sure I should spend the time and effort. It seems the only games that get good "wiki magic" here are the ones with "Resident," "Call," "Battlefield," and the like.