Dude, this is simply awesome...
 

http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/4263/mad1.png

I thought they were retired in Brazil since 2008, but the pic was taken in October 19 (2009).

Holly $#!t. They are still using Madison LMGs. I would have expected something dateing after WWII.

um, did he forget to load it or something? Those were top load, right?

The mag is there.

It must be a pain to get parts for these things. These cops have to be really hard up for weapons.

(Yes, these are cops, and they're battling drug traffickers. And according to wikipedia, these Madsens have been converted to 7.62 NATO from .30-06. Pictures 10 and 14 show the Madsen. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...014765892.html)

Ok, that's just awesome. Even though: A, it should me in a museum, and B, you'd think they could afford better weapons. The drug lords have gold weapon, the cops have 100-year-old machine guns. Awesome.

Invisible hand of the free market in action.

Holy christ, that's awesome.

I wonder if I can talk the commandant of my branch school into letting me mount one of the display Lewis guns on a G Wagon...

Wow i spaced on the mag, it blends in at a quick look. Whats in his holster though? It looks like a sub compact.

For me it´s awesome due to its age. I mean, you don´t see a 100 year-old MG used against gangs everyday. Also, they can´t afford better weapons, in fact, in most south-american police forces, you must buy your uniform, gear and weapons by yourself, with your own money.

I didn't see it at first either

Are those guys BOPE (I can't tell)? If so, I would have expected them to have better weapons. It's one thing for rank-and-file city police to have to buy their own shit, but I've always understood that BOPE is very well-funded and well-equipped (by South American standards). If I recall, they were one of the first customers for the FN P90.

Does that one shirtless dude have his wallet tucked into his pants?

They´re not from the Bope (they don´t wear urban camo uniforms), they´re from the Military Police (gendarmerie, not part of the armed forces).

PS:

This is our GEOF from the Federal Police, sometimes they´re better armed than the army:

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None of this would be necessary if drugs were legal.

It needs a KAC RAS. :p

Theres a difference between letting potheads get some weed at 7-11 and legalizing meth, heroine and cocaine and all those other baddies.

Gun control wasn't an issue in this country until after drugs and alcohol were made illegal. Chew on that for a few minutes.

Homicide Detectives wouldn't be necessary if Murder was legal

Take your pothead agenda elsewhere, this is a movie gun forum...

The prohibition of murder hasn't lead to the militarization of police, the massive encroachment on our basic civil liberties, overcrowding of prisons, wasteful spending of tax dollars to appease a moralist minority, or the endless cycle of violence perpetuated by the ridiculous profits margins that can be obtained from an untaxed and unregulated market with an unending demand.

Most murders are drug related by virtue of being gang related, so it would actually make homicide detectives jobs (and the jobs of all law enforcement) a whole lot easier to just axe this gigantic bloated Sisyphean assault on common sense.

This is the Just Guns subforum, movie discussion not necessary. And I don't have a "pothead" agenda, I have a freedom and liberty agenda. Banning something because you don't like it is the exact opposite of what being an American is supposed to be about.

Those are some mighty naked looking rails. Accessorize fool.

Wow i rmember magnum research's idiocy trying to market the 1911 like that.

Perfect. It's now ready to replace the M16. :D

When I was in Rio, I was at a BOPE HQ and got a tour of all the weapons they had, I held that very gun and was stunned that they still use it.
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From death comes life, so I was told.

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Yours truly from a hard day at work.

The BOPE are really amazing, they didn't understand why we used blanks or that they even existed.

Going back again, (crossing fingers) see if I can take some pic's.

Nice, Al! Did you visit the BOPE HQ while you were down there filming "The Incredible Hulk"?

EDIT: Oh, yeah, obviously...hence the reference to blanks.

That's a pretty cool emblem, although the antiquity of the flintlock pistols sort of clashes with the skull and dagger.

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Yes we have a right to destroy ourselves. Our lives are our own and what we do with them is our own business.

And when you say "so what" to things like militarization of police and building more prisons, you are completely ignoring the cost of it all. The increased need for prisons has lead to a massive private prison industry that creates a conflict of interest in which it is profitable for the few people in charge to have as many people incarcerated as possible and at tremendous cost to the taxpayer. The militarization of police has lead to gross misprioritization of law enforcement resources, with SWAT teams being deployed to terrorize citizens over misdemeanor worthy amounts of drugs because they get kickbacks from the federal government. There's a county in northern California that made severe cutbacks to its sheriff's department because of the recession, and now they almost only enforce drug laws because it's the only way they can keep themselves funded.

Additionally, property seizure laws that allow law enforcement agencies to auction assets seized from drug suspects have lead to rampant corruption everywhere. Off the top of my head, a simple example being that in many places, if some jackass steals your car and later get's arrested with drugs, you don't get your car back at all. The police keep it.

And no it's not my opinion that the drug war is wasteful, that is undeniably established fact. Why? Because it accomplishes absolutely nothing. Drugs are not at all harder to obtain, everybody who would be using drugs if they were legal already are, and imprisoning them does nothing at all to curb their behavior. It is literally money down the toilet.

And you're right, legalizing drugs will not make the drug problem go away. Nothing is going to make it go away. Drugs always have and always will be a part of the human experience and nothing can change that. Legislation and imprisonment is not how problems are dealt with. You mentioned the Netherlands? Here's an even more relevant example, Portugal. Portugal legalized all drugs for personal use, and what happened? Enrollment in rehabilitation programs skyrocketed, overdoses plummeted. Holy shit how did that happen?

I agree with burt about how the prisons are overcrowded. We need to use the death sentence more often and for more offenses

I think you copy and pasted that. And I have bever seen a SWAT team used for misdeameanor offenses, and what you said about seizure law....well, is false, if your car is stolen and used for drugs, you keep it, the state can only seize if owner was the one selling drugs, and only i owner sold drugs in that speicifiv vehicle, thats why drug dealers always have 2 cars....a nice on to show off in, and a crappy one to go out selling in.

Also, was wondering, whats your image of how a police force should be? No SWAT? No power to enforce drug laws?

Yes, just like the glorious People's Republic of China. What a paragon of justice and human rights they are.

SWAT teams were originally created to deal with hostage situations, so no I wouldn't get rid of them. And there shouldn't be any drug laws to enforce anyway. If police departments operated with the kinds of budgets they have now because of the drug war, but did so without any drug laws to enforce, they could get so much more done. Imagine if they devoted those resources to property crimes or rapes, which are both crimes with very low conviction rates.

Drug laws go beyond being ble to smoke weed (i know im just generalizing but everyone i know who wants to get rid o drug laws is because they want to toke up whenever they want.) There is meth, manufactured in apartments where the process hurts everyone around it, heroine which when laced with ketamine is more addictive and kills easily, tons of overdoses on the stuff where i live, crack, all kinds of shit that should never be legal. I can see the legalizing and regulation of marijuana or shrooms or something light but there are things that should nevber be allowed, as to capital punishment all 50 states should have it on the books for murder, the murder rate is lower in states with the death penalty.

It's a pretty good idea. Acts of terror, murder in which the person is absolutely guilty, multiple rape, and more than two accounts of drug trafficking should be executable offenses. And no waiting 25 years to carry it out, either. You get 10 years and after that you can appeal for a stay of execution for 5 more years ( just in case it is somehow discovered that the person is completely innocent)

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Its true that if you legalize drugs there will be less crime, but legalizing wreckless driving makes less crime too, since the people doing arent arrested. That doesnt mean people arent getting hurt. Seen peoples lives destroyed by drugs before, I say ban all the hard drugs.

If drugs were legal, much of the risk associated with them would be eliminated. It wouldn't be necessary to create hazardous clandestine laboratories to manufacture drugs like methamphetamine because it would be freely available from private companies which would be subject to the same laws and regulations that govern any other sort of manufacturing. Purity would also be an irrelevant concern. You don't worry about your aspirin or viagra being laced with PCP or formaldehyde, why would you worry the same about legally produced heroin?

People have this idea that legalizing drugs equates to legitimizing criminal organizations, as if legitimate companies wouldn't even be allowed to engage in the sale and manufacture of drugs and gangs would be allowed to run rampant through the streets. Before drugs were illegal they were made and sold by pharmaceutical companies, the same companies that still exist today such as Merck and Pfizer. And if drugs are ever legal again, those companies will jump right back on the bandwagon. Even all the tobacco companies registered trademarks for their own brands of marijuana cigarettes decades ago and are just sitting on them, waiting for the day to come.

As for people wrecking their own lives, that's an inevitable consequence of living in a free society where we are all responsible for our own lives. Not all of us will make it, that is a universal truth that will never change.

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This is the same argument used to rationalize such socialist nonsense as section 8 housing, universal healthcare, and federal student loans. The idea that everyone should have all the money they need to do whatever they want is what is destroying this country.


In case you thought it's not a real thing...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GEO_Group

Just google "private prison" and have fun spending an entire day being horrified. Even that fascist Joe Arpaio thinks they're a problem.

Even DEA agents admit that the drug war doesn't actually accomplish anything.

I've heard that argument before in other debates about gun control, gay marriage, and welfare reform; "We can't do X here even though it works in country Y because our cultures are so different." It's a weak bullshit argument designed to prey on people's sense of national identity without actually making a real point.

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