Border Patrol and Customs got SCARs now
 

I just read about air units of border patrol have replaced their M14s with SCAR-Hs.

Does the SCAR H use an existing mag, like FAL/ar-10, or is it unique?

Cool. I love the H, a perfect replacement for the Fal and 7,62 rifles.

The mag looks like the metric Fal´s magazine, but no idea.

Ive seen reviews of the SCAR-L civilian version that show it getting 1/2 MOA, which is unreal for a carbine, I can only imagine how badass the H will be.

The SCAR-H has it's own magazine

Thanks Excalibur. What about the L?

I'm pretty sure the SCAR-L uses standard STANAG magazines for the AR-15/M16 series.

It does. I wonder if FN will ever have production of the SCAR high enough that it will be in the ar-15 price range.

I think the SCAR-H also uses the same magazines the SR-25 uses.

Mmm, just think about how many companies produce the Ar receivers and parts without license (because they don´t need it).

I just mean having 1000-1500 dollar SCARs, not 2500-3000 dollr ones.

FNH Usa is the only manufacturer of the rifles. If you want it cheaper, you should wait until it´s adopted by the Us Army or another foreign force.

Cheap? FN? What kind of drugs are you on?

Well, at least FN isn't as overpriced as HK, right?

Remember, we suck and HK hates us for reasons which we can't understand because we aren't Operators. :D

FN has a reason to be expensive: unlike H&K, FN's guns don't suck dick

FN pistols are a good value, the FNP 45 is 600 bucks with 3 mags and case.

I've seen FNPs for less than that on GB and even in stores, but that is about right. FN is a little on the high side with some of their products but they are quality and not overly expensive. They could work out something with the Hi-Power prices and availability though. 800 bucks if you can find it is a bit unreasonable.

I dunno. I didn't terribly like the FNP I fired two weeks ago; I dare say the USP series is a better (if still over-priced) pistol in comparison.

H&K doesn't "suck dick" just because Larry Correia doesn't like them. They are (he is correct about this) over-rated and over-priced.

OK, the SL7 and MP5 don't suck, but the rest do

Not an HK fan, there not junk (except the overpriced overneurtered sl8) but think they cost too much for what you get, have the mg release in the wrong place (trigger guard, wtf?) and they have no real appeal to me. Grips seem comfy on the hk 45 though.

If I were to buy an H&K, it's be one of their older designs like the HSc, HK4 or P7

I want to get the HK45 or the P30, which is the 9mm of the HK45. The grips on those are extremely comfortable compared to the USPs. That would be the only thing HK I'd get unless someone's selling a 94 or 53 or even the 91. I'd pay money for those guns

News to me, but the article I read about Border and Customs units are getting just the mk 17 SCARs to replace their M14s.

Actually, I've tried both and I much prefer the grip of the USP to the HK45 or P30. And I actually really like the mag release on the USP. Never been a big of the FNP, none of the one's I've tried overly impressed me - they all had really heavy and gritty triggers.

And frankly, saying HK guns are junk is just not right. I don't espescially like alot of their products personally, but they're far from junk. They work, some of them very well, and no gun that shoots reliably and accurately is junk. You may not like the way it handles, but there's a huge difference between that and the gun actually being junk.

Bashing HK (and Glock for that matter) seems to be the cool thing to do on alot of internet forums, but to me it's not all that different from the internet HK fanboyism of 10 years ago. Unless you can actually dispassionately back up your point with real arguments, you're doing your point more harm than good.

As far as the SCAR goes, I can't say I'm shocked - frankly the idea of spending all that money to field a weapon that would require a seperate logisitics and maintenance chain from the rest of the issued small arms never really made alot of sense to me. The SCAR probably is a better weapons system than the M4 / M16 / other AR variants, but from where I'm sitting it doesn't bring enough new to the table to justify the expense.

+1 Nyles, on the SCAR stuff and the HK stuff. Money talks, and in this case it doesn't; The SCAR is neat but all the tacticoolness and futrueweapon and game plugs it gets won't override the fact that it isn't that different or that much more effective from the M4s we already use, at least when you factor in what every gamer or futureweapon fanboy overlooks, unit cost and training.

They might have a hefty price tag and they might not like the civilian market but that doesn't mean their products are bad. Aside from their frequent avoidance of the button release (which is similar in actuation to the AK by the way), and the crappy trigger and bulkiness of the USP I don't see much wrong with the guns. Even so, one or two ergonomic gripes is not enough to make a weapon "junk". S&W thinks his 4506 is too big, My 92SB is a little on the heavy side, the Browning's old style safety is a little difficult to firmly engage/disengage, but does that mean they are all junk? By your logic, yes, but no, they're not. They are accurate and reliable guns that are a joy to shoot and a pleasure to own. Just because you have a political or economic problem with a company, or they have a few subjective ergonomic oversights, doesn't make their products complete crap. I wouldn't mind a USP or HK-91 in the least.

My 4506 is exactly the right size

It must have been Matt who said that. I figured it was him or you, and in hindsight it couldn;t have been you since you have a boner for anything that says S&W on it.

Not really. I don't care for the Sigma series, the 500 Magnum, the square trigger guarded 4506, or for the M&P (If I were to go buy a polymer framed gun, the FNP would be my first choice)

Yeah, it was me. I'm the only other person here who owns a 4506, I think. And yeah, I think the 4506 is too big a gun for me.

Oh, yeah, and as for the SCAR, my new range has one available for rent. I'm thinking of trying it out this weekend to see how it shoots. I'll have my AR, too, so I'll be able to compare them on the spot.

Lucky. Tell us how the SCAR stacks up to the AR after you compare, if you decide to rent it

Do you find the 1911 large too? Side by side, height and width are pretty much the same, the 4505 or 4506 being a few ounces heavier.

*Loudly clears throat*

I have owned one since Christmas

4506 is a tiny bit wider and taller

I did say pretty much the same, not exact.

anyone here handled a SCAR? Handled a bushy ACR at a gunstore but never seen a SCAR. wondering if its a confortable weapon.

It's alright. Comfortable, but nothing special

I looks bulky, but I wot judge till I see one. The ACR (basic model) was nice. Hopefully price will drop, 2300 is expensive.

Back to the SCAR subject. If they decided earlier that the SCAR doesn't have enough advantages to replace the current platform, they should have done it sooner, but now they are canceling the program is kinda half ass. It's like the XM8 program. They spent millions developing a weapon and then not adopting it.