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Excalibur 11-09-2009 05:11 AM

So is this remake supposed to take place in the NOW?

Markit 11-09-2009 05:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Excalibur (Post 8356)
So is this remake supposed to take place in the NOW?

Yes, as implausible as that would seem. The Chinese soldiers are wearing the latest camouflage pattern of the PLA, and there are pictures of fake propaganda posters that make reference to the economic crisis, distrust in the government etc. It seems that the antagonists this time make an active PR effort to gain the support of Americans rather than just engaging in brute force tactics.

Markit 11-09-2009 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by MT2008 (Post 8355)
Makes two of us. As I've said, the original should be left as-is. A remake nowadays is absurd.

Anyway, there are already lots of T-55s, T-62s, T-72s, BMPs, etc. available from American military vehicle rental companies. I realize that the Chinese don't use these, but the Russians would use the T-72s at least (which could be made to look like T-90s pretty easily, I should think).

IIRC, there are no actual T-72s or BMPs available from movie prop companies in the United States (though there are in Europe). Army Trucks Inc, which is one of the most popular vehicle rental companies for big-budget hollywood movies, does have T-55 tanks though.

Excalibur 11-09-2009 09:50 PM

I guess I'll watch this movie to laugh at how impossible the plot might be.

Spartan198 11-10-2009 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Excalibur (Post 8381)
I guess I'll watch this movie to laugh at how impossible the plot might be.

Just focus on the guns and explosions like I'm gonna do. ;)

MT2008 11-10-2009 03:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Markit (Post 8359)
IIRC, there are no actual T-72s or BMPs available from movie prop companies in the United States (though there are in Europe). Army Trucks Inc, which is one of the most popular vehicle rental companies for big-budget hollywood movies, does have T-55 tanks though.

Hmmm, are you sure there are no T-72s over here? I always thought that the one in "Three Kings" was real, and that movie was filmed in the U.S.

And yes, I know about Army Trucks, Inc., but they aren't the only military vehicle rental company in the U.S. (though clearly, they are working on this new version of "Red Dawn", since those M1s we see are their mocked-up Centurions.)

Spartan198 11-10-2009 04:25 AM

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Originally Posted by MT2008 (Post 8352)
Yeah, for the Russians.



That's one of the mock-up M1s built from a Centurion. And that's kind of weird. Maybe we're supposed to assume that they captured our own equipment and re-painted it for their own use?

That's a pretty convincing mock-up. How can you tell it's a Centurion?

Markit 11-10-2009 04:29 AM

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Originally Posted by MT2008 (Post 8396)
Hmmm, are you sure there are no T-72s over here? I always thought that the one in "Three Kings" was real, and that movie was filmed in the U.S.

And yes, I know about Army Trucks, Inc., but they aren't the only military vehicle rental company in the U.S. (though clearly, they are working on this new version of "Red Dawn", since those M1s we see are their mocked-up Centurions.)

I'd say the T-72 was a fake, since it is narrower than the real vehicle, taller, has a shorter cannon and the position of the smoke dischargers is wrong. Also, Army Trucks Inc was responsible for the vehicles in that film so it is likely that it was another tank that was modified to resemble a T-72. The only U.S-filmed movie that I can think of that has a genuine T-72 is Transformers, during the scene where Captain Lennox's team is ambushed by Scorponok in the desert, and in that case the tank was wrecked.

Spartan198 11-10-2009 04:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Markit (Post 8399)
and in that case the tank was wrecked.

Hey, it was still a real T-72, though. :)

MT2008 11-10-2009 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Spartan198 (Post 8397)
That's a pretty convincing mock-up. How can you tell it's a Centurion?

First, here's a better picture of it on the set of the movie:

http://www.reddawn2010.com/images/ph...l_p1160350.jpg

See how the undercarriage only six wheels per side? An M1 Abrams has seven. You can also see that it's a little too narrow, and that the engine compartment is a bit taller than a real M1. If you look really closely, you can also see some of the gaps in the turret where the metal plating was welded onto the Centurion's turret.

These mock-up M1s were built originally for the movie "Courage Under Fire". Any movie you've ever seen with an M1 Abrams features these tanks, because in real life, filmmakers can't get access to real M1s unless they get DoD cooperation. So far, "War of the Worlds" and "Transformers 2" are the only movies that have featured real M1s (since the military did cooperate on both). All other movies with M1s use the mocked-up Centurions.

Also, you can see more pics of the tanks at Army Trucks, Inc.'s web site, here:

http://www.armytrucks.com/Tanks_Armored.html


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