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sillybunz13 09-30-2010 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by funkychinaman (Post 20202)
How long does it take YOU to reload a thirty round mag? (And remember, you chose fast zombies.)

If you read my post, you would have read that it takes 1 to 3 seconds to reload a new mag dumbshit. By the time, you load your shotgun I would have 3 accurate shots already. Good job, if you know anything about weapons, it's that magazine fed weapons are the best. That's why military, law enforcement, and spec ops use them, not fucking pump actions and and revolvers. Stop living in the 1950's. You're still dead.

BurtReynoldsMoustache 09-30-2010 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by sillybunz13 (Post 20207)
If you read my post, you would have read that it takes 1 to 3 seconds to reload a new mag dumbshit. By the time, you load your shotgun I would have 3 accurate shots already. Good job, if you know anything about weapons, it's that magazine fed weapons are the best. That's why military, law enforcement, and spec ops use them, not fucking pump actions and and revolvers. Stop living in the 1950's. You're still dead.

He meant how long does it take to load an empty magazine with loose rounds.

k9870 09-30-2010 10:17 PM

Id have t least one revolver due to durability, in an apocalyse scenario you cant mail your semi to customer service.

funkychinaman 09-30-2010 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by BurtReynoldsMoustache (Post 20208)
He meant how long does it take to load an empty magazine with loose rounds.

Thank you. I'm glad it was obvious to some.

The Wierd It 09-30-2010 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by funkychinaman (Post 20213)
Thank you. I'm glad it was obvious to some.

I got it right off the bat. This isn't a video game where all your half-empty mags get combined to make full ones automatically.

sillybunz13 09-30-2010 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by k9870 (Post 20209)
Id have t least one revolver due to durability, in an apocalyse scenario you cant mail your semi to customer service.

It's durable and reliable when you clean the fucking gun and take care of it.

sillybunz13 10-01-2010 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by BurtReynoldsMoustache (Post 20208)
He meant how long does it take to load an empty magazine with loose rounds.

It'll take just as long as a shotgun but you're supposed to load before you decided to go outside. 7 30 magazines of 7.62x51 rounds with hollow points would hold off a lot of zombies until you find more ammo. You know how bulky and big he would be if he had 210 Buckshot SHELLS! Good luck.

Being prepared with a pump action and a revolver is dumb. Carrying shells and revolver rounds is clunky, slow to reload, and all over the place. It's not organized and slow. You would take forever to reload in the middle of zombies chasing you. You would die. If you reload with magazines, it's faster and it can save your life with the time saved. Like I said before, that's in war people use magazine fed rifles because it's organized and it's faster.

BurtReynoldsMoustache 10-01-2010 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by sillybunz13 (Post 20257)
It'll take just as long as a shotgun but you're supposed to load before you decided to go outside. 7 30 magazines of 7.62x51 rounds with hollow points would hold off a lot of zombies until you find more ammo. You know how bulky and big he would be if he had 210 Buckshot SHELLS! Good luck.

Being prepared with a pump action and a revolver is dumb. Carrying shells and revolver rounds is clunky, slow to reload, and all over the place. It's not organized and slow. You would take forever to reload in the middle of zombies chasing you. You would die. If you reload with magazines, it's faster and it can save your life with the time saved. Like I said before, that's in war people use magazine fed rifles because it's organized and it's faster.

In warfare you're fighting against human beings with the same limitations and vulnerabilities as yourself. The logistics of zombie fighting would be a bit different.

funkychinaman 10-01-2010 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by sillybunz13 (Post 20257)
It'll take just as long as a shotgun but you're supposed to load before you decided to go outside. 7 30 magazines of 7.62x51 rounds with hollow points would hold off a lot of zombies until you find more ammo. You know how bulky and big he would be if he had 210 Buckshot SHELLS! Good luck.

Being prepared with a pump action and a revolver is dumb. Carrying shells and revolver rounds is clunky, slow to reload, and all over the place. It's not organized and slow. You would take forever to reload in the middle of zombies chasing you. You would die. If you reload with magazines, it's faster and it can save your life with the time saved. Like I said before, that's in war people use magazine fed rifles because it's organized and it's faster.

In a war. When you're with other people, people who can cover you or pull you to safety. When the enemy takes cover and has a sense of self preservation. When he may just be as scared or anxious as you. If I was going to war, of course I'd take an automatic rifle. But we're talking about zombies, or in your case, diseased humans. They're advancing toward you slowly (or quickly) and they will not stop until you are dead. They will not retreat. They will not regroup. They will not slow down to tend their wounded. They will not take a moment to reassess the situation. You have to kill as many as you can for an indeterminate amount of time.

I'm not going to run. I'm going to barricade myself in a defensible position with supplies, like in EVERY ZOMBIE MOVIE EVER MADE. (You have seen a zombie movie, correct?)

Excalibur 10-01-2010 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by BurtReynoldsMoustache (Post 20262)
In warfare you're fighting against human beings with the same limitations and vulnerabilities as yourself. The logistics of zombie fighting would be a bit different.

A lot different in fact. Human heads are very easy to break, so hollow points or not or high caliber or .22 can go into a human skull. The only reason for different caliber is range.

BurtReynoldsMoustache 10-01-2010 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Excalibur (Post 20270)
A lot different in fact. Human heads are very easy to break, so hollow points or not or high caliber or .22 can go into a human skull. The only reason for different caliber is range.

Well if zombies are "killed" by shots to the brain, that implies some sort of neurological disruption is at work. Human beings can survive being shot in the brain by small caliber bullets, why couldn't zombies?

Excalibur 10-01-2010 12:42 AM

Cause we can assume that the zombie brain requires a lot less activity to work and since they ARE continuously rotting, any trauma could potentially put them down. But just to be safe, I say anything bigger than a .22LR or a bunch of .22 calibers like a hornet's nest.

BurtReynoldsMoustache 10-01-2010 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Excalibur (Post 20273)
Cause we can assume that the zombie brain requires a lot less activity to work and since they ARE continuously rotting, any trauma could potentially put them down. But just to be safe, I say anything bigger than a .22LR or a bunch of .22 calibers like a hornet's nest.

It could go the other way. Nonessential portions of the brain rotting away could give the bullet a path to move through with less resistance thus transferring less kinetic energy to the cranium as a whole.

sillybunz13 10-01-2010 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by funkychinaman (Post 20265)
In a war. When you're with other people, people who can cover you or pull you to safety. When the enemy takes cover and has a sense of self preservation. When he may just be as scared or anxious as you. If I was going to war, of course I'd take an automatic rifle. But we're talking about zombies, or in your case, diseased humans. They're advancing toward you slowly (or quickly) and they will not stop until you are dead. They will not retreat. They will not regroup. They will not slow down to tend their wounded. They will not take a moment to reassess the situation. You have to kill as many as you can for an indeterminate amount of time.

I'm not going to run. I'm going to barricade myself in a defensible position with supplies, like in EVERY ZOMBIE MOVIE EVER MADE. (You have seen a zombie movie, correct?)

Well that's why you're going to die anyways because every zombie movie, their defensible position with supplies gets infiltrated by zombies anyway. You need to be on the move and find a safe position every day somewhere else. That's what almost every soldier is trained to do in the world. No more than 24 hours.

That's why I'm a soldier that's trained and you're a civilian that's not. End of story.

BurtReynoldsMoustache 10-01-2010 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by sillybunz13 (Post 20277)
Well that's why you're going to die anyways because every zombie movie, their defensible position with supplies gets infiltrated by zombies anyway. You need to be on the move and find a safe position every day somewhere else. That's what almost every soldier is trained to do in the world. No more than 24 hours.

That's why I'm a soldier that's trained and you're a civilian that's not. End of story.

Staff Sergeant Sillybunz, reporting for duty. :D

funkychinaman 10-01-2010 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by sillybunz13 (Post 20277)
Well that's why you're going to die anyways because every zombie movie, their defensible position with supplies gets infiltrated by zombies anyway. You need to be on the move and find a safe position every day somewhere else. That's what almost every soldier is trained to do in the world. No more than 24 hours.

That's why I'm a soldier that's trained and you're a civilian that's not. End of story.

Weren't the guys in Day of the Dead soldiers? Didn't they end up dying in the end? Chuck Heston and Will Smith holed up as well. Hell is full, so the dead are walking the earth. Where you are going to run to? With no sleep? Because zombies don't sleep. And assuming you can find caches of .308 ammo around? I believe in the American fighting man. But they can only do so much.

sillybunz13 10-01-2010 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by funkychinaman (Post 20279)
Weren't the guys in Day of the Dead soldiers? Didn't they end up dying in the end? Chuck Heston and Will Smith holed up as well. Hell is full, so the dead are walking the earth. Where you are going to run to? With no sleep? Because zombies don't sleep. And assuming you can find caches of .308 ammo around? I believe in the American fighting man. But they can only do so much.

First of all Chuck Heston and Will Smith's Movie was based on the book Omega Man, and the people were like vampires, not zombies because they suck blood from humans not eat them. The Day of the Dead were just horrible to begin with, and was inaccurate to the uniforms, to the tactics, and they weren't even infantry so yeah they should have died.

Plus you'll be surprised what one infantryman can do.

Excalibur 10-01-2010 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by BurtReynoldsMoustache (Post 20275)
It could go the other way. Nonessential portions of the brain rotting away could give the bullet a path to move through with less resistance thus transferring less kinetic energy to the cranium as a whole.

It seems that the zombie still needs the brain intact to "survive", so we can assume the brain part is the last to really go before the rotting gets to it. Either way, I'm not taking my chances with small caliber. And a shotgun to the face works all the time

AdAstra2009 10-01-2010 01:58 AM

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Originally Posted by sillybunz13 (Post 20292)
The Day of the Dead were just horrible to begin with, and was inaccurate to the uniforms, to the tactics, and they weren't even infantry so yeah they should have died.

Plus you'll be surprised what one infantryman can do.

Yeah they were

BurtReynoldsMoustache 10-01-2010 02:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Excalibur (Post 20293)
It seems that the zombie still needs the brain intact to "survive", so we can assume the brain part is the last to really go before the rotting gets to it. Either way, I'm not taking my chances with small caliber. And a shotgun to the face works all the time

Not so. Even in Dawn Of The Dead (the remake), they still had to burn the bodies after shooting to prevent them from getting back up. I think they called them "twitchers" or "squirmers".

AdAstra2009 10-01-2010 02:16 AM

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Originally Posted by BurtReynoldsMoustache (Post 20300)
Not so. Even in Dawn Of The Dead (the remake), they still had to burn the bodies after shooting to prevent them from getting back up. I think they called them "twitchers" or "squirmers".

It wasn't to keep them from getting back up. That's just sort of a generic thing to do to a diseased body, to burn it so that the infection won't live on in the dead body. The twitchers they just shot again.

BurtReynoldsMoustache 10-01-2010 02:33 AM

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Originally Posted by AdAstra2009 (Post 20308)
It wasn't to keep them from getting back up. That's just sort of a generic thing to do to a diseased body, to burn it so that the infection won't live on in the dead body. The twitchers they just shot again.

Point is the twitchers had already been shot in the head once.

AdAstra2009 10-01-2010 02:40 AM

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Originally Posted by BurtReynoldsMoustache (Post 20310)
Point is the twitchers had already been shot in the head once.

In both instances of DOTD 2004 where they had twitchers they shot them in the head a second time to put them down permanently.

BurtReynoldsMoustache 10-01-2010 03:00 AM

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Originally Posted by AdAstra2009 (Post 20312)
In both instances of DOTD 2004 where they had twitchers they shot them in the head a second time to put them down permanently.

Which implies one wasn't enough and they could get up again.

predator20 10-01-2010 03:05 AM

This thread was brought back from the dead. Now it should stay that way.


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