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Nyles 03-10-2010 04:53 PM

Mini-SAF, actually, but yeah, you're right. Win goes to you.

Markost 03-10-2010 08:12 PM

Well done. You´re next Zulu.

Zulu Two Six 03-11-2010 03:36 AM

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ok...next up here we go:
Attachment 238
happy will hunting

Rockwolf66 03-11-2010 04:44 AM

Uru mekanika SMG. I've found two complete lowers here in Kali and i wish they had the upper assemblies as well.

Zulu Two Six 03-11-2010 01:34 PM

that was good.
your next

Rockwolf66 03-12-2010 05:34 PM

I give you this:

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z...ystery_Gun.jpg

Have fun as it's a prototype weapon.

Markost 03-13-2010 12:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rockwolf66 (Post 12498)
Have fun as it's a prototype weapon.

Nyles said that this game is about production firearms, not prototypes.

Rockwolf66 03-15-2010 05:04 AM

it wouldn't be the first such weapon posted here. It's also one of the few non-PDF images i have of weapons that are not dead givaways. I would have posted a movie firearm if i could have found a copy of the film to screencap.

Zulu Two Six 03-15-2010 04:45 PM

is that what i think it is?
two fucking barrels?
TWO!
wow....
it has a drum mag for one and a handgrip mag for the other.
one barrel under the other.....
oh man, run for the hills, we're screwed

ManiacallyChallenged 03-15-2010 08:43 PM

Check out the back of the gun, above the rear grip.
It looks vaguely AK-ish.
Perhaps a super-saiga? :D

Markost 03-16-2010 01:53 AM

Ok Rockwolf, let´s see... a 7.62x39 and 9x18 combo?

Rockwolf66 03-16-2010 04:30 PM

Not quite. You guys are right about it being a combination weapon. The calibers are 7.62X51mm and 9X19mm. It is a western designed weapon and is part of a series of weapons. I would have posted sooner but it seems that lately there are alot of people who want to be me. :(

Rockwolf66 03-17-2010 09:12 PM

Ok another clue:
the weapon's maker starts with an I and the weapon is the third model.


I'm giving 48 hours until I say what it is and someone else can post something.

Rockwolf66 03-20-2010 04:34 AM

It's an ITM Model-3. I would have posted an Image of a Serlea-ACE but I don't have an Image that's not imbedded in a PDF currently.


Ok the floor is open for whoever wants it.

S&Wshooter 03-20-2010 04:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rockwolf66 (Post 12498)
I give you this:

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z...ystery_Gun.jpg

Have fun as it's a prototype weapon.

I want it. NOW

Nyles 03-20-2010 08:01 AM

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Here it is.

Zulu Two Six 03-20-2010 10:40 PM

im back:

now....look at that thing, then at a 1911, then cry.

ManiacallyChallenged 03-22-2010 03:39 PM

That's actually kind of cool looking.
Not better than a good old Colt, but not bad in and of itself.

Nyles 03-24-2010 04:14 PM

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Ok, as a hint here's the right side of the same gun - there's a pretty big clue there.

Markost 03-26-2010 01:45 AM

Ehmm... could it be a spanish or belgian gun?

Rockwolf66 03-26-2010 05:56 AM

well i can tell that it's not a Mexican obregon, I haven't seen an Argentinian Ballester pistol to rule that out. Other than that even i am stumped for now...Dang having stored all my gun ID guides in preperation to moving to a free state.

Rockwolf66 03-26-2010 06:02 AM

Having found a guide right now it looks closest to either a French MAS 35S or a MAS 50. Neither are exact matches but they are as close as I can get with the resources i have on hand.

Nyles 03-26-2010 01:51 PM

It's not a Ballester-Molina, though good guess. Interesting you mention the MAS M1935S and MAS-50 (also the SACM M1935A would apply, they're all related designs) - I was just thinking how they're similar. They're all based on the 1911 with the addition of a very similar slide safety. They are not, however, related.

That said, you're not likely to find this in a general gun identification guide, while it is a production gun it's somewhat obscure. I suggest taking a good look at the extractor, it's a pretty big hint.

ManiacallyChallenged 03-27-2010 08:33 PM

The Box of Truth just did an article on the "Ballerina Molester" not too long ago.
http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/edu100.htm

predator20 03-27-2010 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nyles (Post 12741)

That said, you're not likely to find this in a general gun identification guide, while it is a production gun it's somewhat obscure. I suggest taking a good look at the extractor, it's a pretty big hint.

Looks to be some sort of Star.

Nyles 03-28-2010 02:42 AM

Wow, I was thinking I was beginning to think I'd have to post a picture of the markings for somebody to get that. Yes, it's a Star. Now which model is it?

Yournamehere 03-28-2010 07:53 AM

It's a Star Model 1920 pistol.

Here's one that is more practical in training us how to identify guns as they pertain to movies or real life variations. It's not a rare prototype or a gun that was in production briefly decades ago which we will probably never see in film, or ever (no offense Nyles and other obscure gun collectors, mad respect!), but a particular variant that will require some background knowledge.

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...g?t=1269764045

Look familiar?

Zulu Two Six 03-28-2010 12:29 PM

on the slide it says ''fabrique national''
and i would say it is a browning hi-power.
but is it?

Nyles 03-28-2010 03:58 PM

FN commercial production Hi Power, probably from the 70s by the looks of it. Harder to tell without seeing which kind of extractor it has. My buddy is a Hi Power fanatic and could (every time I find a rare Hi Power variant he convinces me to pass it to him - even a WW2 Finn contract, I can't believe he suckered me into it), but my interest is mostly the pre-1945 variations.

Yournamehere 03-28-2010 09:29 PM

Both of you have stepped into the laser guided bear trap. You are both incorrect. You have to look at the slide stamp closely.

predator20 03-28-2010 10:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yournamehere (Post 12787)
Both of you have stepped into the laser guided bear trap. You are both incorrect. You have to look at the slide stamp closely.

I can't hardly read the 2nd line of rollmarks. What is it, an FM copy?

Yournamehere 03-28-2010 11:06 PM

It is not an FM. For the record the bottom portion says "Brownings Patent Depose" but it's not what's important about the stamp.

Bugabear 03-30-2010 02:11 AM

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Sorry if i'm interrupting something but I was wondering you guys could identify these guns. Attachment 255

Sorry the image is so small. If it helps these where taken from Canadian Gangsters.

Yournamehere 03-30-2010 02:25 AM

There's a Ruger P Series in the upper left, and a Glock 17 2 guns below that. The one next to the Ruger looks like a Hi-Point of some sort. The rest look like Bryco/Jennings style pistols. This is a gun guessing game thread though and really isn't the place for stuff like this though, next time make a new thread.

Nyles 03-30-2010 05:37 PM

Ok, it's clearly an FN commercial. 1960s T series? Might even still have the internal extractor, though you can't really tell looking at the left hand side.

Zulu Two Six 03-30-2010 08:56 PM

what was the point of that.
is it or is it not a browning hi-power make or model
no body else has asked for the exact date/any thing else

moving on..

Yournamehere 03-30-2010 10:26 PM

It can't be a T Series, it has a Type 73 bushing, which puts it out of the serial number range. After doing some thinking, it might not even be what I thought it was. The Hi-Powers that FN make for Browning always have different rollmarks, so there's always 2 sets of commercial Hi-Powers, the Brownings that are more prominent in America and the FNs that are more prominent in Europe. That being said, it's possible that this rollmark was adopted by FN for the European pistols sometime after the T and C Series ones, which I've seen and do look different. With that theory in place, it could be a 1985 (the serial number prefix for this example was 245PV indicating 1985 as the manufacture date, I would have shown you if this had progressed) FN produced gun, but around this time, FEG was making illegal copies of the FNs and even stamping the same particular rollmark on the gun. The serial number prefixes were usually single letters like "B" with the serial number following (similar to the T Series) so you could immediately tell if you had a fake FEG. The real question is, was the rollmark ever actually used by FN, or did FEG copy the serial number system too? I assumed it was an illegal copy and thought I'd stump you all, and I did, but I stumped myself while doing it. No one can guess what the gun is because I don't even know exactly what the example is, as it's more representative and theoretical than anything. Anyhow, we all learned something from that and since Nyles was closest to either of the answers, he can take a turn.

Nyles 03-31-2010 06:14 AM

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Easier one this time, but I want the make AND model.

Markost 03-31-2010 07:46 PM

US Issue Canadian Ross M.1905 Mk.II Rifle, .303:

Quote:

Scarce US issue Canadian Ross M.1905 Mk.II straight pull rifle. Beginning in 1917, Ross M.1905 Mk. II rifles were used by the US military in training roles, to free up more M.1903 Springfield for the Western European front. The stock of this rifle offers a nice selection of various Canadian and US marks! The lower part of the buttstock displays, "Flaming Bomb over US " property mark, just behind the trigger guard. The stock also displays issue markings, model designation and serial number (please, see pictures). The right side of the buttstock displays, "36/1909 AS", and a cartouche, "'Crown', QUEBEC, DC, 'Broad Arrow'". There are also old markings, crossed with a single line, "4 12 66 193". The left side of the buttstock displays a letter, "B". The left side of the receiver displays following markings, "ROSS RIFLE CO. QUEBEC CANADA 1905 PATENTED". Straight pull bolt action with locking lugs turning inside the bolt. Five round internal box magazine ("Harris Controlled Platform" with a depressor behind the rear sight). The rear sight is graduated to 2,200 yards. The front sight with a hood. Four sling swivels. Bayonet lug on the nosecap. One barrel band. Walnut stock with a pistol grip and two short handguards. Correct style steel buttplate with a trap. Complete with a green web sling. Overall length: 48 inch. Barrel length: 28 inch. CONDITION: Fine+ to low excellent. 85% of original finish remaining on metal. The balance is in white mixed with some light patina. Some finish is turning to brownish color. Most of the wear is on the trigger guard, magazine cover, barrel band and nosecap. Some brown patina on the buttplate. Nice, smooth stock in original finish, with some handling marks and light dings. No cracks in the wood. All the markings on the stock and metal are clearly visible. Excellent bore with strong and shiny rifling. Crisp action. Mechanically, the rifle is in excellent condition. All the internal parts of the rifle are in fine condition, with no visible wear. Web sling is in fine condition. Scarce US issue Ross rifle in very collectible condition!
That red background was familiar to me :D

Nyles 04-01-2010 06:01 AM

Right you are. Interesting point is that Mk.IIs were also used by Canadian troops for training - they even made it as far as England, but only the Mk.III was ever used in France / Belgium. You're up.


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