Unless you're underage or a former felon, what state's gun laws prevent you from getting these? I dealt with NJ gun laws for a few years, and even they have no issue with people owning a pistol with a 13 round capacity and a bolt action rifle. (And this is a state that won't let you buy a slingshot without a permit.)

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Ok let me see you try to shoot at someone in the head running towards you, and you only have seconds to react. You have to be very well trained to do that so a .45ACP or 7.62x51 will knock them on their ass. The most realistic method is to try to shoot them in the chest or the pelvic area. You shoot them in the pelvic area, doesn't matter if you're a zombie or not, the alignment of the body from the waist down would be shot to shit and they wouldn't run after you becuase they can't.

The .223 and the 9mm has been known to fail to stop an enemy on ADRENALINE (1986 Miami Shootout), not even drugged up. Imagine a fucking zombie! And it does matter how much ammuntion you have. Try telling that any military personnel like myself that. You need have as much ammo as possible, especially for this type of situation. A pump action shotgun is good for the most 8 shots (and that's with one of the longest feeding tubes), then you have to reload 1 by 1. With a magazine, you can reload a rifle and have 30 rounds in less than 2-3 seconds.

So in conclusion, it does matter on stopping power. You're not always going to shoot them in the head in that close of range. Accuracy is important and vital. You will die if you only have a pump action shotgun and a revolver.

I'm British. That's why.

Answer: Saiga 12

Oh. Then yeah, that sucks. (The part about not being able to buy guns, not about being British.)

And when I said there's no science here, it's because WE'RE DEALING WITH A CREATURE THAT'S PURE FANTASY. You're assuming certain characteristics of zombies, characteristics that come solely from pop culture and maybe folklore. There is no established canon. We might as well be talking about stopping vampires, unicorns, or Keebler elves. We don't even know what causes zombies. The movies have had varying reasons (disease, space radiation, etc) and some of them don't even bother with origins.

You forgot one more thing that sucks: He lives in Britain, having to endure his rights slowly being taken away and the eventual collapse

Yeah, england doesnt even have free speech anymore from some articles ive been seeing on the news.

Didn't they ban pointed knives a while ago and are about to ban glass pub glasses?

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funkychinaman said he wanted a PUMP ACTION SHOTGUN. A Saiga 12 is a semi automatic shotgun that's magazine fed. So he's looking forward to pretty much like a Remingtion 870 or Winchestor Defender and a revolver. He won't live long with those weapons of choice.

Well sometimes you have to make compromises

Really, I won't live in this nightmare fantasy scenario? Oh darn. Maybe I should've mentioned that ray gun I invented.

And just in case there any other concerns about surviving this outbreak of metaphors, I mean, zombies:

http://www.cracked.com/article_18683...l-quickly.html

This is a forum for weapons of choice for zombie survival in a realistic way. We're not trying to prove that zombie will come or eventually come. If you want, start another forum on how zombie invasions would never happen.

I was just proving a point that a pump action shotgun and a revolver for a zombie infestation (not even for a battle or war) is not that good of a choice.

What's wrong with the pump action shotgun? A Revolver yeah, I can see why.

I'm saying there's anything round with a pump action shotgun expect that it's low capacity and reloading requires like a minute to do. A buck shot could take out a bunch of zombies at once but if a wave of zombies come at you, you're fucked! The weapon could hold the most 8+1. Especially if you're sidearm is a fucking revolver.

No, but given the number of perfectly safe things the last Labour government tried to ban or discourage for being "potentially dangerous" it wouldn't surprise me if they'd tried.

I understand that, but read what you just wrote, surviving against zombies in a realistic way. We have no set rules for zombies, because they're a product of different sources of pop culture. How do we stop them? Well, one film says one way, another film says another way, and basic biology says yet another way. Which way do you want to go with? Define the threat. There isn't one way to stop zombies, because there's no definitive set of rules regarding zombies. We don't even know where they came from. In 28 Days later, it was a disease and they're fast. But in Shaun of the Dead, it's radiation, and they're slow. And in Resident Evil, it's medical experimentation, and they're fast again.

And I defend my choice of a pump and revolver, because the zombies that I'm referring to are slow. (Why slow? Why not? And you can't tell me differently.) And as I've seen in a pistol comp, once you're out of mags, you're done. You can barricade yourself in a Dick's Sport Goods with pallets of 9mm, but if you only have three pistol mags, only the ammo in those three mags will be of any use to you. With a pump, where you can load one at a time, you can last as long as you have ammo. Want a "realistic" scenario? How many mags do you have in your house at this moment? Because zombies, slow or fast, probably won't wait for you to find an abandoned National Guard armory.

On a Remington 870, all you have to do is drop a round into the ejection port, close the breech, and you're ready to fire.

I saw two cases in england that sealed it ill never go there:

One, a man found a shotgun on his property that criminals had ditched, and called police. He wasarrested since he touched the gun when he found it, stating law prohibits touching a gun without a licence. He was a former infantry soldier and law abiding citizen who had to spend some time in jail until the trial was dropped

Another, a man put barbed wire on his property after several robberies. The government ordered it taken down since criminals "may hurt theselves on it and posed a health hazard."

There was also video where a country home was being robbed, a homeowner came home and saw men loading a truck with their stuff. homeowner said thed call the police if the men didnt leave, and the men said someething along the lines of "out here well be long gone before they arrive, and what are you going to do to stop me?" and kept on stealing....

In Texas, The dude would have been able to keep the shotgun if it hadn't been used in a crime, The guy with the barbed wire would be advised to put up razor wire instead and the thiefs would be very, very dead

In the UK, the people are becoming less and less armed, yet the cops are becoming more and more. Hmmm...

The shotgun was used in a crime and hid on the property, property owner was doing work, uncovered the shotgun, and called police. The police then arrested him. Any civilized country would say "thank you for helping us" or "good work calling us right off." not slap the cuffs on.

My friend's father found some kind of Beretta rifle in a trash can so he brought it to the police. They checked it to see if it had been used in a crime and when they determined it hadn't been, they gave the rifle back to my frien'd father

In your face!
 

Well if you want to be "realistic", why are you picking the speed of your zombies? What if they are just as fast as the zombies in Dawn of the Dead or 28 Days Later? If you have a pump action shotgun and a revolver with fast zombies, are they going to wait for you to reload one by one with your weapons? I don't think so. My weapons of choice are good for an type of situation as 7.62x51 has the range, the stopping power, and the capacity you need to fight off almost anything, and the .45ACP is also accurate and has lots of stopping power. By the way, the ammunition I chose is not only available in any military base, you can buy them online, any sporting goods store, pawn shop, etc. My weapons are also available online if you do the research, and I can buy as many magazines as I want (I live in Florida).

And it doesn't matter how zombies came to be, they still have the anatomy of a human being. That means severing the spinal cord with a bullet will immobilize the threat or a bullet to the pelvic region will throw off the alignment of the threat making it hard or unable to walk, run, etc.

And there lies the flaw in your argument: you're throwing in science in a scenario where science is irrelevant. According to science, zombies shouldn't exist, period. There is no scientific explanation, currently, for the reanimation of a corpse that wants to do nothing but eat brains. Furthermore, there's no scientific explanation on why they would STAY reanimated. Therefore, there's no scientific explanation on how to "kill" them. Nothing we know about zombies is based on science. The very CONCEPT of the undead is based on superstition and folklore.

You have to set a definition of "zombie," and which rules they are governed by. Or even easier, why not just say you're fighting Xenomorphs, or Terminators?

This makes no sense. They're the walking dead, their hearts don't beat, their nervous systems are completely shut down, they don't eat. None of those things stop them from moving, why should severing their spines or shooting off their nuts?

It's not the nerves that will immobilize them, it's the whole bone structure of the body that would pretty much collapse. So it does make sense, thank you.

literally lollin irl right now at zombies making sense :D

It's not science, it's logic which you clearly don't possess.

Plus, in my argument, I never said "kill", I said immobilize the threat. Whether it's a zombie or not, immobilizing your threat is the best thing to do. The End!

That's called logic

Oh, Mr. Spock here is going to bring in logic in a discussion about the reanimated undead. Logically, since we don't know why it's mobile, therefore we also don't know how to make it immobile.

If all we're talking about is a sack of bones that doesn't need a CNS, a circulatory system, a lymphatic system, a digestive system, or any other system that makes a human being function, then we're good, because they wouldn't be able to move.

Ok since you don't get it, I'm going to dumb it down for you. The bone structure of a human body is like blocks. If you stack them, you take the center block out, it would collapse. In any mammal like creature, if the spine is severed, it's immobilized no matter what. Thick-skulled ass!

Play nice or we're going to have a problem.

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I understand that, it's basic biology. But we're obviously ignoring biology and physics because zombies exist, and even though they don't have working CNS systems, they can run. What if you shoot it in the heart? You need a heart to pump blood, to work the muscles. Why can't you kill a zombie with a double tap to the chest? It needs to breath, right? You can't pick and choose which scientific rules you're going to follow.

You also can't use science to explain what is clearly a supernatural being. Can you stop a ghost by shooting it in the spine? How about a vampire? Or an angel?

First off, I think the Christians would be offend that you lumped angels with supernatural stuff like Vampires and Zombies

Ok, the most common accepted biology of Zombies according to Romero are that they don't breath, they have no blood pumping. Whatever virus is infecting them is in the blood and all over their bodies. We can assume the central nervous system is active without blood, but it is controlled by the brain and the hub is the spine. Break either part will "kill" the zombie. Also burning them is slow any messy and would do you more harm than them.

That's like saying the most common accepted biology of vampires is the Twilight vampires.

Also people who believe in angels consider them to be supernatural. You have the word confused with mythological.

First off. When most GUYS think of Vampires, they think of Buffy or Dracula. Not the sparkling faggots.

That's not the current "popular" interpretation of Vampire. Never EVER mention Twilight in this forum...ever again



I guess you're right about confusing supernatural and mythological.

face it, a body cant move without blood and air, and you cant eat without a working digestive system

Well zombies are eating as an impulse from their minds. They don't digest what they eat at all. It's like having an insane amount of craving for food and no matter what, you cannot stop, you cannot be full no matter how much you pour down your throat. It's a very basic instinct for any animal, the need to eat.